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OATES/ROWE - were they neighbours?

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SusanWA

SusanWA Report 7 May 2009 03:31

Could someone please check if I am on the right track?

John Robert OATES, b.1870, d.1921 Glamorgan, brothers William b.1859, d.?; James b.1853? d.?; James b.1853? d.?; Samuel b.1862, d.1938 NSW Aust.

Parents of above: OATES, Samuel, b.1833, d.1905, miner, Halsetown, St Ives, and, ROWE, Ann, b.1835, d.?, spinster, Halsetown, who married 2 July 1853. Samuel's father was William OATES, b.1798 Ludgven, mother Johanna (?). Ann's father was William ROWE, b.1797 Madron, mother Elizabeth Tonkin.

Did Samuel and Ann live in Halsetown with their widowed mothers:-

1851 Census E.Dist.2a, Parish St Ives, Folio 371, Page 7:
27 Trelyon Downs. OATS, Johanna, 58 miner's widow, Ludgven
Samuel, 18 miner

28 Trelyon Downs. ROW, Elizabeth, 51, miner's widow, Madron,
Thomas, 21; Henry, 17; Ann, 17;
Joseph, 15.
Also, Ludgven,1841 census, Book 11, folio 37, page 9:

Currossowe OATS, Johannah, 50; Eleonar, 18; Johannah,
14, "Salres" 8, (Is this Samuel?)

Hope the above makes sense. Would like to confirm I am right before going further back. Thanks.

ChristineinPortugal

ChristineinPortugal Report 7 May 2009 06:48

This is how Ancestry has them transcribed.

1841 England Census
about Lalrus Oate
Name: Lalrus Oate
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Gender: Male
Where born: Cornwall, England

Civil Parish: Ludgvan
Hundred: Penwith
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Registration district: Penzance
Sub-registration district: Uny Lelant
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Johanah Oate 50
Cleona Oate 18
Johanah Oate 14
Lalrus Oate 8

It doesn't look like Samuel on the image but
from IGI children of William and Johanna are

1. JOHANNAH OATS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 18 JUL 1819 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England

2. JOHANNA OATS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 1829

3. JOHANNA OATS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 26 JAN 1833 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England

4. MARY OATS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 11 DEC 1825 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England

5. ELEANOR OATS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 16 AUG 1822

6. ELEANOR OATS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 JUN 1823 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England

7. WILLIAM OATS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 16 NOV 1815

8. WILLIAM OATS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 04 FEB 1817 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England

9. SAMUEL OATS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: OCT 1832

10. SAMUEL OATS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 26 JAN 1833 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England

Christine


jen yorkshire

jen yorkshire Report 7 May 2009 07:07

is this poss for wm/johannas marrige?

children
Husband
William Oats Pedigree


Birth: 15 MAY 1791 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England
Christening: 11 JUN 1791 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England
Marriage: 08 AUG 1812 Uny Lelant, Cornwall, England
Death:
Burial: 26 JAN 1833 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England



Father: William Oats Family
Mother: Ann Thomas


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Wife
Johanna Ould Pedigree


Birth: 12 DEC 1791 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England
Christening: 26 DEC 1791 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England
Marriage: 08 AUG 1812 Uny Lelant, Cornwall, England
Death:
Burial:



Father: Richard Ould Family
Mother: Johanna or Hannah Nicholas


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Children

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1. Ann Oats Pedigree
Female

Birth: 11 MAY 1813 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England
Christening: 13 JUN 1813 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England
Death:
Burial:



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2. William Oats Pedigree
Male

Birth: 16 NOV 1816 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England
Christening: 04 FEB 1817 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England
Death:
Burial:



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3. Johanna Oats Pedigree
Female

Birth: 02 JUL 1819 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England
Christening: 18 JUL 1819 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England
Death: 27 JAN 1827
Burial:



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4. Eleanor Oats Pedigree
Female

Birth: 16 AUG 1822 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England
Christening: 06 JUN 1823 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England
Death:
Burial:



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5. Mary Oats Pedigree
Female

Birth: 01 SEP 1826 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England
Christening: 11 DEC 1826 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England
Death:
Burial:



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6. Johanna Oats Pedigree
Female

Birth: 1829 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England
Christening: 26 JAN 1833 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England
Death:
Burial:



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7. Samuel Oats Pedigree
Male

Birth: OCT 1832 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England
Christening: 26 JAN 1833 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England
Death:
Burial:



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jen yorkshire

jen yorkshire Report 7 May 2009 07:15

Johanna Oats Pedigree
Female

Birth: 02 JUL 1819 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England
Christening: 18 JUL 1819 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England
death 27 jan 1832

jen yorkshire

jen yorkshire Report 7 May 2009 07:16

this could be "cleona" mispelt .
Eleanor Oats Pedigree
Female

Birth: 16 AUG 1822 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England
Christening: 06 JUN 1823 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England




SusanWA

SusanWA Report 7 May 2009 07:23

Thank you, Christine, for your reply. I have to go out for a few hours, so I will re-read iyour reply when I return. On first glance it looks a bit confusing - are there two Johannah/Joanna's; is it safe to assume Samuel is correct, and not Larius? Will be back later, Thanks, Sue.

jen yorkshire

jen yorkshire Report 7 May 2009 07:26

this could be "cleona" - eleanor,bad spelling?
Eleanor Oats Pedigree
Female

Birth: 16 AUG 1822 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England
Christening: 06 JUN 1823 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England


SusanWA

SusanWA Report 7 May 2009 07:26

Just read your reply, Jen. Thanks, I will go through it all when I return from a much needed trip to the hairdresser. Will reply later. Sue.

ChristineinPortugal

ChristineinPortugal Report 7 May 2009 07:38

It does appear thet they had 2 children called Joannabut I have found this before and if a child died they often gave another the same name.

Seems strange to us now but it happened quite often.

Christine

jen yorkshire

jen yorkshire Report 7 May 2009 07:42

hi , enlarged 1841 image , the "larius" is quite poss hes samuel, both down as b born 1832/33
same year

jen yorkshire

jen yorkshire Report 7 May 2009 07:43

hi , enlarged 1841 image , the "larius" is quite poss hes samuel, both down as b born 1832/33
same year,its difficult to read .

SusanWA

SusanWA Report 8 May 2009 01:18

Sorry, Jen and Christine, I couldn't get back to computer yesterday.
A couple of queries you might be able to answer:
Jen, re Johanna Oats b.2 Jul. 1819, there are two different death dates, your posting at 7.08 has 27 Jan 1832, and your 7.15 posting has 1827. Also, I had William Oats born 1798(source I can't remember).
Did you notice that Johanna b.1829, and brother Samuel b.1832 were christened on the same day as their father William was buried, 26 Jan 1833.

jen yorkshire

jen yorkshire Report 8 May 2009 03:02

hi susan, they had 2 children names johanna, one die beore the other was born,its not uncommon for a new child to be named as one that died,i have a few in mine.

Johanna Oats Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth: 02 JUL 1819 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England

Christening: 18 JUL 1819 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England

Death: 27 JAN 1827

Burial:


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Parents:
Father: William Oats Family
Mother: Johanna Ould
..........
Johanna Oats Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth: 1829 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England

Christening: 26 JAN 1833 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: William Oats Family
Mother: Johanna Ould


.................
i hadnt noticed william was buried same day as christeng,but that could happen too,i have the bvri index so when i get back on mon ill have a look ,also nbi.see whats happening..jen

SusanWA

SusanWA Report 8 May 2009 05:57

Hi,Jen. I understand there were two Johannas, but you have two different death dates for Johanna b.1819 - in the post of Thurs. 7.08 3.Johanna Oats pedigree...b.1819...christening 18 Jul 1819...Death 27 Jan 1827, and then on Thurs. 7.16 post there is Johanna Oats pedigree...b.1819...christening 1819.....death 27 Jan _____1832. Which date is correct? If you can do any follow-up next week that would be appreciates. Have a good weekend. Susan.

ChristineinPortugal

ChristineinPortugal Report 8 May 2009 07:20

Hi Susan,

All these details about the births, deaths etc are from Familysearch, IGI index

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
http://www.cornwall-opc.org/

Some of the confusion is because some are only submitted records, added by people researching the families whist others are actually extracted rom the orignal records.

The extracted ones can usually be relied upon whereas submitted can be wrong.

You may find this website useful, although they only have marriages for the parish of Ludgvan.

http://www.cornwall-opc.org/

Christine

SusanWA

SusanWA Report 8 May 2009 08:28

Thanks, Christine, for your reply and explanation. I was just puzzled why there was a difference of five years with the death date - I'm used to finding a couple of years. I have looked at the cornwall opc site a while back which is where I think I have found other information. Does Ancestry have extracted details? I am finding this family tree research fascinating at times, but extremely frustrating at other times!! Susan.