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SusanWA
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8 May 2009 08:28 |
Thanks, Christine, for your reply and explanation. I was just puzzled why there was a difference of five years with the death date - I'm used to finding a couple of years. I have looked at the cornwall opc site a while back which is where I think I have found other information. Does Ancestry have extracted details? I am finding this family tree research fascinating at times, but extremely frustrating at other times!! Susan.
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ChristineinPortugal
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8 May 2009 07:20 |
Hi Susan,
All these details about the births, deaths etc are from Familysearch, IGI index
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true http://www.cornwall-opc.org/
Some of the confusion is because some are only submitted records, added by people researching the families whist others are actually extracted rom the orignal records.
The extracted ones can usually be relied upon whereas submitted can be wrong.
You may find this website useful, although they only have marriages for the parish of Ludgvan.
http://www.cornwall-opc.org/
Christine
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SusanWA
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8 May 2009 05:57 |
Hi,Jen. I understand there were two Johannas, but you have two different death dates for Johanna b.1819 - in the post of Thurs. 7.08 3.Johanna Oats pedigree...b.1819...christening 18 Jul 1819...Death 27 Jan 1827, and then on Thurs. 7.16 post there is Johanna Oats pedigree...b.1819...christening 1819.....death 27 Jan _____1832. Which date is correct? If you can do any follow-up next week that would be appreciates. Have a good weekend. Susan.
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jen yorkshire
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8 May 2009 03:02 |
hi susan, they had 2 children names johanna, one die beore the other was born,its not uncommon for a new child to be named as one that died,i have a few in mine.
Johanna Oats Pedigree Female
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 02 JUL 1819 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England Christening: 18 JUL 1819 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England Death: 27 JAN 1827 Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: William Oats Family Mother: Johanna Ould .......... Johanna Oats Pedigree Female
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 1829 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England Christening: 26 JAN 1833 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: William Oats Family Mother: Johanna Ould
................. i hadnt noticed william was buried same day as christeng,but that could happen too,i have the bvri index so when i get back on mon ill have a look ,also nbi.see whats happening..jen
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SusanWA
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8 May 2009 01:18 |
Sorry, Jen and Christine, I couldn't get back to computer yesterday. A couple of queries you might be able to answer: Jen, re Johanna Oats b.2 Jul. 1819, there are two different death dates, your posting at 7.08 has 27 Jan 1832, and your 7.15 posting has 1827. Also, I had William Oats born 1798(source I can't remember). Did you notice that Johanna b.1829, and brother Samuel b.1832 were christened on the same day as their father William was buried, 26 Jan 1833.
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jen yorkshire
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7 May 2009 07:43 |
hi , enlarged 1841 image , the "larius" is quite poss hes samuel, both down as b born 1832/33 same year,its difficult to read .
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jen yorkshire
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7 May 2009 07:42 |
hi , enlarged 1841 image , the "larius" is quite poss hes samuel, both down as b born 1832/33 same year
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ChristineinPortugal
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7 May 2009 07:38 |
It does appear thet they had 2 children called Joannabut I have found this before and if a child died they often gave another the same name.
Seems strange to us now but it happened quite often.
Christine
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SusanWA
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7 May 2009 07:26 |
Just read your reply, Jen. Thanks, I will go through it all when I return from a much needed trip to the hairdresser. Will reply later. Sue.
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jen yorkshire
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7 May 2009 07:26 |
this could be "cleona" - eleanor,bad spelling? Eleanor Oats Pedigree Female Birth: 16 AUG 1822 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England Christening: 06 JUN 1823 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England
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SusanWA
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7 May 2009 07:23 |
Thank you, Christine, for your reply. I have to go out for a few hours, so I will re-read iyour reply when I return. On first glance it looks a bit confusing - are there two Johannah/Joanna's; is it safe to assume Samuel is correct, and not Larius? Will be back later, Thanks, Sue.
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jen yorkshire
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7 May 2009 07:16 |
this could be "cleona" mispelt . Eleanor Oats Pedigree Female Birth: 16 AUG 1822 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England Christening: 06 JUN 1823 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England
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jen yorkshire
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7 May 2009 07:15 |
Johanna Oats Pedigree Female Birth: 02 JUL 1819 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England Christening: 18 JUL 1819 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England death 27 jan 1832
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jen yorkshire
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7 May 2009 07:07 |
is this poss for wm/johannas marrige?
children Husband William Oats Pedigree Birth: 15 MAY 1791 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England Christening: 11 JUN 1791 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England Marriage: 08 AUG 1812 Uny Lelant, Cornwall, England Death: Burial: 26 JAN 1833 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England Father: William Oats Family Mother: Ann Thomas
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wife Johanna Ould Pedigree Birth: 12 DEC 1791 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England Christening: 26 DEC 1791 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England Marriage: 08 AUG 1812 Uny Lelant, Cornwall, England Death: Burial: Father: Richard Ould Family Mother: Johanna or Hannah Nicholas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Children
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Ann Oats Pedigree Female Birth: 11 MAY 1813 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England Christening: 13 JUN 1813 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. William Oats Pedigree Male Birth: 16 NOV 1816 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England Christening: 04 FEB 1817 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. Johanna Oats Pedigree Female Birth: 02 JUL 1819 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England Christening: 18 JUL 1819 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England Death: 27 JAN 1827 Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4. Eleanor Oats Pedigree Female Birth: 16 AUG 1822 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England Christening: 06 JUN 1823 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5. Mary Oats Pedigree Female Birth: 01 SEP 1826 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England Christening: 11 DEC 1826 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6. Johanna Oats Pedigree Female Birth: 1829 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England Christening: 26 JAN 1833 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7. Samuel Oats Pedigree Male Birth: OCT 1832 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England Christening: 26 JAN 1833 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England Death: Burial:
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ChristineinPortugal
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7 May 2009 06:48 |
This is how Ancestry has them transcribed.
1841 England Census about Lalrus Oate Name: Lalrus Oate Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833 Gender: Male Where born: Cornwall, England Civil Parish: Ludgvan Hundred: Penwith County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Registration district: Penzance Sub-registration district: Uny Lelant Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Johanah Oate 50 Cleona Oate 18 Johanah Oate 14 Lalrus Oate 8
It doesn't look like Samuel on the image but from IGI children of William and Johanna are
1. JOHANNAH OATS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 18 JUL 1819 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England 2. JOHANNA OATS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 1829 3. JOHANNA OATS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 26 JAN 1833 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England 4. MARY OATS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 11 DEC 1825 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England 5. ELEANOR OATS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 16 AUG 1822 6. ELEANOR OATS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 06 JUN 1823 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England 7. WILLIAM OATS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 16 NOV 1815 8. WILLIAM OATS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 04 FEB 1817 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England 9. SAMUEL OATS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: OCT 1832 10. SAMUEL OATS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 26 JAN 1833 Ludgvan, Cornwall, England
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SusanWA
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7 May 2009 03:31 |
Could someone please check if I am on the right track?
John Robert OATES, b.1870, d.1921 Glamorgan, brothers William b.1859, d.?; James b.1853? d.?; James b.1853? d.?; Samuel b.1862, d.1938 NSW Aust.
Parents of above: OATES, Samuel, b.1833, d.1905, miner, Halsetown, St Ives, and, ROWE, Ann, b.1835, d.?, spinster, Halsetown, who married 2 July 1853. Samuel's father was William OATES, b.1798 Ludgven, mother Johanna (?). Ann's father was William ROWE, b.1797 Madron, mother Elizabeth Tonkin.
Did Samuel and Ann live in Halsetown with their widowed mothers:-
1851 Census E.Dist.2a, Parish St Ives, Folio 371, Page 7: 27 Trelyon Downs. OATS, Johanna, 58 miner's widow, Ludgven Samuel, 18 miner
28 Trelyon Downs. ROW, Elizabeth, 51, miner's widow, Madron, Thomas, 21; Henry, 17; Ann, 17; Joseph, 15. Also, Ludgven,1841 census, Book 11, folio 37, page 9:
Currossowe OATS, Johannah, 50; Eleonar, 18; Johannah, 14, "Salres" 8, (Is this Samuel?)
Hope the above makes sense. Would like to confirm I am right before going further back. Thanks.
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