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Trying to find the father of Charles Miller born on Gibraltar in January 1851. Birth cerificate lists father as Charles and mother as Elizabeth. He died before his son was born and was listed as a Convent guard (guarding the seat of government on Gibraltar - so he may have been a soldier). ANY help would be a greatly appreciated as I am unable to progress further with this branch of my family - very frustrating! Thank you, Jo

Hi Jo,

just for ref;

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Charles Miller
Name: Charles Miller > occupation Dairyman
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Spouse Name: Sarah Elizabeth Tucker
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 10 Feb 1874
Parish: St John of Jerusalem
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Charles Miller >> Occupation ???? Warder/Warden
Spouse Father Name: John Tucker

Could this be Charles in l89l - Liz

1891 census - household transcription
Person: MILLER, Charles
Address: 22, Durrington Road, Hackney

MILLER, Charles Head Married M 40 1851 Dairyman
Gibraltar VIEW
MILLER, Sarah Elizth Wife Married F 39 1852
London VIEW
MILLER, Charles H Son Single M 10 1881 Fathers Help
London VIEW
MILLER, John E Son M 14 1877 Scholar
London VIEW
MILLER, Alfred G Son M 11 1880 Scholar
London VIEW
MILLER, Sarah E Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar
London VIEW

RG number:
RG12 Piece:
201 Folio:
86 Page:
83

Registration District:
Hackney Sub District:
West Hackney Enumeration District:
40 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Paul Homerton

Civil Parish:
Hackney Municipal Borough:
Address:
22, Durrington Road, Hackney County:
London

1901 census - household transcription
Person: MILLER, Charles
Address: 195, Well Street, Hackney



MILLER, Charles Head Married M 50 1851 Dairy Shop Keeper
Gibraltar British Subject VIEW
MILLER, Sarah E Wife Married F 49 1852
Blackfriars
London VIEW
MILLER, Charles H Son Single M 26 1875 Dairy Shop Keeper Assistant
Dalston
London VIEW
MILLER, John E Son Single M 24 1877 Dairy Shop Keeper Assistant
Hackney
London VIEW
MILLER, Alfred G Son Single M 21 1880 Dairy Shop Keeper Assistant
Haggerston
London VIEW
MILLER, Sarah E Daughter Single F 20 1881 Dairy Shop Keeper Assistant
Haggerston
London VIEW


RG number:
RG13 Piece:
230 Folio:
104 Page:
2

Registration District:
Hackney Sub District:
South-East Hackney Enumeration District:
10 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Homerton St Luke

Civil Parish:
Hackney Municipal Borough:
Address:
195, Well Street, Hackney County:
London

Original states they have had nine children and 4 are still living - Liz

1911 census - household transcription

MILLER, Charles Head Married M 60 1851 Dairyman Gibalter VIEW
MILLER, Sarah Elizabeth Wife Married
37 years F 59 1852 Blackfrias VIEW
MILLER, Alfred George Son Single M 31 1880 Daryman Kingsland RA VIEW


RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1163 Reference:
RG14PN1163 RG78PN38 RD11 SD5 ED24 SN32

Registration District:
Hackney Sub District:
South East Hackney Enumeration District:
24 Parish:
St John At Hackney

Address:
195 Well St Hackney N E County:
London

Charles Miller

England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1851 — Gibraltar
residence: Hackney, London, Middlesex, England
spouse: Sarah E. Miller

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: Charles Miller
age: 30
gender: Male
birth year: 1851
birthplace: Gibraltar
relationship to head of household: Head
marital condition: Married
profession / occupation: Milk Vendor
address: 19 Acton Street
census place: Hackney, London, Middlesex, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341063
the national archives reference: RG11
piece / folio: 0295 / 3
page number:

Thank you for all that excellent information, which confirms that this is the correct Charles Miller (born in Gibraltar 1851) and his descendents. Unfortunately it still leaves me unable to go further back to his father, which is where I have repeatedly been stalled in my research. Jo

His marriage cert. will give the name and occupation of his father, have you searched on this site to see if anyone else is looking for the family - there are several possible matches for the children listed on the l90l census.
Regards, Liz

Hi Liz, Thanks for your message. I have already posted a query on the surname board but have had no luck. Through contacts via Genes I have very thorough research and accurate dates for the Miller family down from Charles (1850). He is my gr..grandad. He returned to England as a child and appears in the 1861 census, listed as living in Bethanal Green with his mother who had remarried a John Voll and had subsequent children. Regards, Jo

Hi Jo,

The first thing you need to do is to order a birth certificate for one of the Voll's younger children;

1871 England Census
about Chas Meller
Name: Chas Meller
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Voll
Mother's name: Elizabeth Voll
Gender: Male
Where born: B S, Gibraltar
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St James The Less
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 402
Household Members: Name Age
John Voll 52
Elizabeth Voll 46
Chas Meller 20
Geo Voll 17
Elizabeth Voll 12
Henry Voll 8
Alice Voll 5


Maybe this one;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Dec 1865 (>99%)
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Voll Alice Mary Bethnal Gn 1c 239


This should hopefully tell us her mothers maiden name.......... then maybe a marriage can be found to Charles Miller Snr.



Dee x

Hi Dee, I hadn't thought of that! Thank you. Jo

Hi Dee, I hadn't thought of that! Thank you. Jo

Hopefully Jo finding Elizabeths maiden name will get you started again....... keeping my fingers crossed for you.


Dee xx

Thank you for all the help - I will keep in touch and let you know how I get on with tracing him. All the best, Jo