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Matilda Jane Barham - Rye Sussex

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cric

cric Report 17 Aug 2011 10:43

My wife is related to the Barhams of Rye in Sussex (her grandmother was Mary Saunders (Nee Barham 1873 - 1964).

On the Rye War Memorial is this: Mrs Matilda Jane Barham, Civilian, died Havelock Villas 10/02/1943, widow of Mr James Barham. Aged 80.

Matilda was killed when a bomb destroyed their house; my wife's mother used to visit Matilda before the last war. Matilda must have been born c1863.

I can't find any reference to a James Barham marrying a Matilda (which must have been about 1885??). Does anyone have any information about this Matilda and the James who she married?

PS.
I think I have just about all the Barhams around Rye during that period (a lot of them so I can't be sure I have them all). I have a James Barham married to Adeline Jane Axell in 1884, but she was born 1853, so it can't be her, can it?

Any help, I should be pleased to receive

Chris :-)

Lynski

Lynski Report 17 Aug 2011 10:49

How about this????

Births Mar 1863 (>99%)
AXELL Matilda Jane Rye 2b 4

Married using her middle name???

Marriages Sep 1884 (>99%)
Axell Jane Rye 2b 9
Barham James Rye 2b 9

Lynski

Lynski Report 17 Aug 2011 10:55

1911 census -

BARHAM, James Head Married M 47 1864 Engine Driver On Boat Playden Sussex VIEW
BARHAM, Jane Wife Married 28 years F 47 1864 Rye Sussex VIEW
BARHAM, Agnes Daughter Single F 21 1890 General Servant Rye Sussex VIEW
BARHAM, Sarah Daughter Single F 19 1892 General Servant Rye Sussex VIEW
BARHAM, Edith Daughter F 15 1896 Clerks Assistant Rye Sussex VIEW
BARHAM, Florence Daughter F 12 1899 School Rye Sussex VIEW
BARHAM, Eva Daughter M 10 1901 School Rye Sussex VIEW
BARHAM, Elsie Daughter F 5 1906 Rye Sussex VIEW

RG number: RG14 Piece: 4696
Reference: RG14PN4696 RG78PN200 RD68 SD1 ED6 SN12
Registration District: Rye Sub District: Rye
Enumeration District: 6 Parish: Rye
Address: 2 Swiss Cottages Winchelsea Road Rye County: Sussex

Lynski

Lynski Report 17 Aug 2011 10:56

1911 original census states 11 children born, 2 died.

Does this look like your family in 1911??

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 17 Aug 2011 10:57

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Matilda J Barham
Name: Matilda J Barham
Birth Date: abt 1863
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1943
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Battle
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 123

Lynski

Lynski Report 17 Aug 2011 10:58

1901 census -

BARHAM, James Head Married M 35 1866 Engine Driver Summer General Labourer Winter Playden Sussex VIEW
BARHAM, Jane Wife Married F 36 1865 Rye Sussex
BARHAM, Jane Daughter Single F 16 1885 Housemaid Domestic Rye Sussex VIEW
BARHAM, James Son Single M 14 1887
Rye Sussex VIEW
BARHAM, Bessie Daughter Single F 12 1889
Rye Sussex VIEW
BARHAM, Agnes Daughter Single F 10 1891
Rye Sussex VIEW
BARHAM, Sarah Daughter Single F 8 1893
Rye Sussex VIEW
BARHAM, Edith Daughter Single F 4 1897
Rye Sussex VIEW
BARHAM, Florence Daughter Single F 1 1900
Rye Sussex VIEW

RG number: RG13 Piece: 859 Folio: 80 Page: 10
Registration District: Rye Sub District: Rye
Enumeration District: 6 Ecclesiastical Parish: Rye St Mary's
Civil Parish: Rye Municipal Borough:
Address: Winchelsea Road, Rye County: Sussex

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 17 Aug 2011 10:58

It seems she preferred her middle name Jane.........???


1901 England Census
about Jane Barham
Name: Jane Barham
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Barham
Gender: Female
Where born: Rye, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Rye
Ecclesiastical parish: Rye St Marys
Town: Rye
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Household Members:
Name Age
James Barham 35
Jane Barham 36
Jane Barham 16
James Barham 14
Bessie Barham 12
Agnes Barham 10
Sarah Barham 8
Edith Barham 4
Florence Barham 1

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 17 Aug 2011 10:59

according to the index she was just Jane Axell

born 1863 she could have married in 1884


Marriages Sep 1884

Axell Jane Rye 2b 9
Barham James Rye 2b 9

Lynski

Lynski Report 17 Aug 2011 10:59

1891 census -

BARHAM, Jane Wife Married F 25 1866 Rye Sussex
BARHAM, Jane Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar
Rye Sussex VIEW
BARHAM, James Son M 5 1886 Scholar
Rye Sussex VIEW
BARHAM, Bessie Daughter F 3 1888
Rye Sussex VIEW
BARHAM, Agnes A Daughter F 1 1890
Rye Sussex VIEW

RG number: RG12 Piece: 756 Folio: 41 Page: 23
Registration District: Rye Sub District: Rye
Enumeration District: 3 Ecclesiastical Parish: Rye
Civil Parish: Rye Municipal Borough: Rye
Address: Strand, Rye County: Sussex

Mike *

Mike * Report 17 Aug 2011 11:02

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Household:1881

Charles AXALL Head M Male 60 Worcester, Worcester, England Cordwainer
Mary AXALL Wife M Female 53 Wrentham, Suffolk, England Cordwainer Wife
Matilda AXALL Daur U Female 16 Folkestone, Kent, England Dressmaker

Dwelling 18 Queens St C P
Census Place Folkestone, Kent, England



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Matilda Axall --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 25 DEC 1864 Christ Church, Folkestone, Kent, England

Parents:
Father: Charles Axall
Mother: Mary

Lynski

Lynski Report 17 Aug 2011 11:02

1871 census -

AXELL, Edward Head M 45 1826 Sussex VIEW
AXELL, Mary Ann Wife F 42 1829 Sussex VIEW
AXELL, Mary Ann Daughter F 21 1850 Sussex VIEW
AXELL, William Son M 19 1852 Sussex VIEW
AXELL, Louisa Daughter F 10 1861 Sussex VIEW
AXELL, Sydney Son M 13 1858 Sussex VIEW
AXELL, Jane Daughter F 8 1863 Sussex VIEW
AXELL, Marion Daughter F 6 1865 Sussex VIEW
AXELL, John H Son M 3 1868 Sussex VIEW
AXELL, Fanny Daughter F 2 1869 Sussex VIEW
AXELL, Edward Son M 2 1869 Sussex VIEW
AXELL, Charles H Son M 1 1870 Sussex VIEW
AXELL, Albert A Son M 0 1871 Sussex VIEW

RG number: RG10 Piece: 1023 Folio: 23 Page: 5
Registration District: Rye Sub District: Rye
Enumeration District: 2 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Civil Parish: Rye Municipal Borough: Rye
Address: Mermaid Street, Rye County: Sussex

cric

cric Report 17 Aug 2011 11:07

Thanks for this. I have this census information. I think it relates to James Barham ( son of James Barham & Louisa Wood). He married an Adeline Jane Axell daughter of John Axell & Louisa Packham. Is there another Axell daughter & James Barham?

I have Adeline's sister Matilda Martha Axell marrying a William Osborne

Mike *

Mike * Report 17 Aug 2011 11:15

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Household:1881

Thomas W. COLLARD Head M Male 49 Canterbury, Kent, England Miller
Charlotte COLLARD Wife M Female 53 Hastings, Sussex, England
Charles E. COLLARD Brother U Male 47 Canterbury, Kent, England Miller
Emily BURT Servt U Female 20 Brookland, Kent, England Servt Domesc
John MORRIS Baker U Male 19 Ore, Sussex, England Baker
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James BARHAM Carter U Male 17 Playden, Sussex, England Carter


Census Place Wittersham, Kent, England

cric

cric Report 17 Aug 2011 12:10

Thanks for all this - using all the clues I've found her!!!

Matilda Jane Axell (1863) is the daughter of Edward Axell & Mary Miller. Edward was the brother of John Axell who was the father of Matilda Martha Axell (1850).

So thanks to you all for helping to solve that problem

Cheers!!!

Valerie

Valerie Report 15 Nov 2014 15:23


Matilida Jane Axell was the daughter of Edward and Mary Axell; she was baptised on 30 March 1863 in Rye. Sadly she died and was buried on 7 April 1863 age 2 months. (Death registered June 1863 Rye).

Edward and Mary's next daughter was Jane and her birth was registered as "Exall" June 1864 Rye. On the 1881 census she was listed as "Mary Jane Exall"! Jane Axell married James Barham on 31 August 1884 in Rye. Their fathers were Edward Axell and Edgar Barham.

I would guess at some point Jane's birth certificate was looked for and the one for Matilda Jane was found instead.

Adeline Jane Axell married Charles Crosskey on 14 June 1875, registered June 1975 Woolwich.

Valerie