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I am looking for records of my GGGrandfather James Holloway Brown. He was baptised at Holy Trinity Clapham on 25th May 1834. His father was William Brown and his mother Mary Ann (maiden name unknown). He had a son James c1863 married in 1888 to Sarah Ann Davey. His baptism record has him as James Holloway Brown but I have been unable to find any reference to Holloway in any other records I have come across.

Is this the family?

1851 England Census about William Brown
Name: William Brown
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1794
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Brown
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: Hillingdon
Ecclesiastical parish: Uxbridge Moor St John
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: hawker of ?

Registration district: Uxbridge
Sub-registration district: Hillingdon
ED, institution, or vessel: 3d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 30
Piece: 1697
Folio: 135
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
William Brown 57
Mary Brown 42 born: Iver, Buckinghamshire,
Catherine Brown 21
James Brown 17
William Brown 6
Gerald Byrne 31
John Byrne 20

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London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about James Holloway Brown
Name: James Holloway Brown
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 25 May 1834
Father's Name: William Brown
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Brown
Parish or Poor Law Union: Clapham Holy Trinity
Borough: Lambeth
Register Type: Parish Registers

William give his occupation as Coachman, so 1851 may not be them?

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about James Holloway Brown
Name: James Holloway Brown
Probate Date: 13 Jun 1922
Death Date: 14 Mar 1922
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Registry: London, England

of 51 Chasworth Road Clapton
admin to Julie Marie Holloway Brown widow
effcts £293 14s 10d

sibling ? :-

name William John Brown
gender Male
baptism/christening date 09 Aug 1835
baptism/christening place HOLY TRINITY,CLAPHAM,SURREY,ENGLAND

father's name William Brown
Occupation:- Coachman
mother's name Mary Anne

indexing project (batch) number C05845-1
system origin England-ODM
source film number 307716, 307717, 307718, 307719
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England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about James H Brown
Name: James H Brown
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1910
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 1141 (click to see others on page)
View Record Julia M A Stanmore Jul-Aug-Sep 1910 Hackney

Do you have the marriage cert for the James m1888 and his birth cert? If the Holloway isn't mentioned on these, how can you be sure that you have the right line? Can you post any census info that you have on the family?

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groom's name: William Brown
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Ann Holaway
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 19 Oct 1818
marriage place: Astwood,Buckingham,England
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
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groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
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indexing project (batch) number: M06204-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 952858
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James Holloway Brown's (1834) son James (c1863) had an oil and paint shop on Chatworth Road Hackney and was married to Sarah Ann Davey. He changed the family name from Brown to Holloway in about 1901. In the 1891 census he is Brown but in the 1901 and 1911 he is Holloway. When he died in 1922 he was James Holloway Brown thats how I am pretty sure that Holloway is a name connected to the family. James Holloway Brown (1834) appears to have a brother William John who has the same parents, same baptism church and father William is a coachman in both entries.
Catherines post of the 1851 census is a possibility, the only thing that doesn't tally is the entry for William John aged 6. He in fact was a year younger than James who is entered as 17. Maybe its a mistake by the enumerator and it should be 16.
I have the marriage certificate for James in 1888 when he married Sarah Davey in Deptford but I can't find his birth. Julia Stanmore was his second wife married 1910 and James was Brown but in the 1911 census he is Holloway. Confusing or what!
Thank you all very much for your posts

The William on 1851 census in Hillingdon.

William Thomas Brown born @ 1845 married Margaret louisa Vagg in 1869 his dad was William Brown a hawker.
there is a tree on Ancestry and it gives their address in 1851 as 22,Rockingham Parade Hillingdon.

It seems the james on that census is another james brown.

Maryb.

Yes Mary I think you're right. Many thanks

Hi I'm now looking for baptisms at St Pauls Deptford from 1862 to 1866 for James Brown c1863 and his sister Margaret c1865. Their father was James H Brown, mother unknown.I can't locate the records for this church.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1330565

Naomi, it would be better to delete your other thread and continue with this one.

These are the Brown baptisms for 1862-1866 at Deptford:

Match quality: 3 out of 5 Rosina Kate Brown 30 Dec 1866 James Henry De Vere Brown,
Emily Christiana Brown Deptford St Nicholas Greenwich

Match quality: 3 out of 5 Walter Frederick De Vere Brown 29 Apr 1866 James Henry Devere Brown,
Emily Christiana Brown Deptford St Nicholas Greenwich

Match quality: 3 out of 5 Richard Edmund Brown 31 Oct 1860 James Brown,
Mary Brown Deptford St Paul Lewisham

Match quality: 3 out of 5 Emily Christiana Brown 28 Feb 1869 James Henry De Vere Brown,
Emily Christiana Brown Deptford St Nicholas Greenwich

Match quality: 3 out of 5 Elizabeth Brown 30 May 1870 James William Brown,
Elizabeth Brown Deptford St John Lewisham

Match quality: 2 out of 5 Arabella Brown 24 May 1857 James Brown,
Elizabeth Brown Deptford St Paul Lewisham

I have deleted the other thread. Thank you Potty for looking up the baptisms for me, It doesn't look as though my James is there. At least I know to stop looking there. Greatly appreciated.

On the 1911 census, James claims to have been born in Bexley, Kent

Thank you Christina I have to admit I hadn't noticed that. Hopefully this will be a new lead. Thanks for looking.

I'm trying to find details of my gig grandmother Caroline Brown She was born in Bexley in c1838, she had a sister Mary Ann, I do not know their parents. Caroline married? Thomas Holloway around 1863. She had a son, James, born in Marylebone in 1863. Strangely he called himself James Brown not Holloway so it's hard to know who his father is. I can't find the births of James or Caroline.

Where does James call himself Brown? Is it on a census?