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can anyone help?... my nan ivy wilkins (1899) went to america in 1922 and returned to england in 1928 from canada, her childhood sweetheart hubert harris (1900) followed her to america in 1923. Joan was born in 1925cc and Bet in 1928cc have searched but cannot find any marriage between Ivy or Hubert or the births of joan or bet. many thanks debbie

Deborah, not quite sure where you think they married or had children? I assume Canada or America? Might be a good idea to add this to your heading if so.
Jan

When they returned to UK, although they travelled from Canada, their last permanent address is given as USA.

So marriage/births are likely to have been in USA?


UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Ivy M Harris
Name: Ivy M Harris
Birth Date: abt 1899
Age: 29
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date: 9 Sep 1928
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Duchess of Atholl
Search Ship Database: View the 'Duchess of Atholl' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Canadian Pacific Line
Official Number: 160505

also Hubert W, a baker, aged 29;
Joan L, aged 3;
Betty, aged 3 months.
Address they were heading for: 43 Springfield Avenue, Easington, Banbury.

According to the Ellis Island Records ....................

Passenger record

First Name: Hubert William
Last Name: Harris
Ethnicity: Great Britain, English
Last Place of Residence: Banbury, England
Date of Arrival: Apr 04, 1923
Age at Arrival: 22y Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Olympic
Port of Departure: Southampton
Manifest Line Number: 0016


from passenger manifest ......

Baker

Going to Evanston, Illinois

His fare paid by friend, Mr G Castle, 1325 Green Street, Evanston, Illinois

Planned to be there permanently






First Name: Ivy
Last Name: Wilkins
Ethnicity: Great Britain, English
Last Place of Residence: Banbury, England
Date of Arrival: Nov 13, 1922
Age at Arrival: 23y Gender: F Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Celtic
Port of Departure: Liverpool
Manifest Line Number: 0007

from passenger manifest .................

Domestic

Going to Highland Park, Illinois

Fare paid by Aunt, Mrs Coleman, Highland Park, Lake Co., Illinois

Planned to be there "Always"





from the above .......................... I would be looking at Illinois for further information

It would appear that marriages post 1900 in Illinois aren't on line.

http://www.idph.state.il.us/vitalrecords/genealogicalinfo.htm

The Ellis Island entry as posted by Sylvia says that Ivy was going to Lake County. If you can find the county clerk address from the state list on the above link, they could probably do a search for you (for a fee)

Familysearch does have a database Illinois Marriages, 1815-1935, and a seperate one for County Marriages. There doesn't see to be anything under Harris or Wilkins

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coincidence or ??????????????


Could Ivy have been married before????




from freebmd


Marriages Mar 1938 (>99%)

Harris Hubert W Stock Hitchin 3a 1532
Stock Ivy E Harris Hitchin 3a 1532


Hitchin is the registration district spanning the boundaries of the counties of Bedfordshire and Hertfordshire.

Is this a likely area????

many thanks for all your help, have tried many times to find out whether they got married in america or canada and also where Joan and betty were born. When they traveled back my nan Ivy M Wilkins was now know as Ivy M Harris and both girls had the name of Harris so i'm presuming they did marry over there? will check that link above and see if i can get any more information. My nan had never been married before and when they returned to England she settled in Banbury with Hubert and they had their own bakery shop in Easington.

kind regards
debbie

Deborah, sorry if I have missed this, but do you know anything else about her daughters? Not sure when they were last seen. Have you considered this as a possible marriage for Joan?

Marriages Sep 1946
Harris Joan L Loveridge Banbury 6b 2013
Loveridge Horace C Harris Banbury 6b 2013

Name: Horace Cyril Loveridge
Birth Date: Aug 1918
Date of Registration: Dec 1972
Age at Death: 54
Registration district: Banbury
Inferred County: Oxfordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 2456

Jan

Can this be Hubert's death? If so, they didn't have the bakery shop for long, at least not jointly:

Deaths Sep 1930 (>99%)
Harris Hubert W 30 Banbury 3a 1078

Many thanks jan yes you have the right Joan, i already had got that information and ArgyllGran yes Hubert did die not long after they returned to England. Im just stuck on where and when they got married which possibly looks like it was in America and also the birth of Joan 1925 and Betty (Bet) 1928 both in america xx

many thanks
debbie