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Valerie
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22 Apr 2014 17:15 |
Hi
Does anyone have a Frederick Sanders born 1853 to a Henry and Harriett Sanders in Birminmgham.
Frederick married a Elsie Matilda Herridge in Birmingham,they have 2 daughters, he isn't on any census from 1881, his wife is, so they must have parted. I think he went to new Zealand, he died between 1891 and 1901. but not in this country
Hope you can help
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ArgyllGran
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22 Apr 2014 17:39 |
Elsie's probate in 1922 says she's a widow:
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Elsie Matilda Sanders Name: Elsie Matilda Sanders Probate Date: 16 Jan 1923 Death Date: 30 Dec 1922 Death Place: Hertfordshire, England Registry: London, England
30 Lindsey Road, Bishops Stortford, Herts. Probate to Elsie Eugenie Wendover,(wife of Harold George Newbury Wendover). Effects: £485 13s. 3d
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ArgyllGran
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22 Apr 2014 17:42 |
In 1881 she's listed as married, wife of a jeweller (leveller ??). Can't see her after 1881 either.
1881 England Census about Elsie M. Sanders Name: Elsie M. Sanders [Elsie M. Herridge] Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1858 Relationship to Head: Daughter Father: Henry Herridge Gender: Female Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: Livery St Albion Hotel Marital Status: Married Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Wife Of A Jeweller Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: All Saints ED, institution, or vessel: 40 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3010 Folio: 71 Page Number: 19 Household Members: Name Age Henry Herridge 58 Henry J. Herridge 27 Elsie M. Sanders 23 Catherine L. Herridge 21 Catherine E. Sanders 4 Elsie Sanders 2 Henry E.W. Muirhood 25 Samuel Fisher 23 John Sankey 33 James Jones 50 Sophia Pearman 28 Sarah James 24 Rose Griffiths 20 Ellen Futrill 20 Emma Bowen 24
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ArgyllGran
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22 Apr 2014 17:50 |
Oh, yes, here she is in 1891, still listed as married, living on own means:
1891 England Census about Elsie M Saunders Name: Elsie M Saunders Age: 31 Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Bridgwater Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Bridgwater County/Island: Somerset Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Bridgwater Sub-registration district: Bridgwater ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1883 Folio: 13 Page Number: 20 Household Members: Name Age Elsie M Saunders 31 Catherine E Saunders 13 Elsie E Saunders 11
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ArgyllGran
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22 Apr 2014 17:53 |
1901, now listed as widowed:
EDIT: Oops, just re-read Valerie's OP, and I see she already said Frederick died between 1891 and 1901.
1901 England Census about Elsie Saunders Name: Elsie Saunders Age: 41 Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Female Birth Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Bridgewater Ecclesiastical parish: Bridgewater Holy Trinity Town: Bridgwater County/Island: Somerset Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Bridgwater Sub-registration district: Bridgwater ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2283 Folio: 21 Page Number: 33 Household schedule number: 222 Household Members: Name Age Elsie Saunders 41
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Cynthia
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23 Apr 2014 12:50 |
Hello Valerie and welcome to the Community boards.
To see if anyone on this site has your relative in their tree, you need to click on Search All Members Trees - under the Search button above. If you find a connection, you can contact the tree owner for details.
Note: I'll let Valerie know that she has replies to her query :-)
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Mike *
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23 Apr 2014 15:50 |
same info supplied on other thread
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1339766
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ArgyllGran
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23 Apr 2014 18:10 |
Partly my fault, Mike - in response to a PM from Valerie, I advised her to add some mention of New Zealand to the title of her original thread, in hope of attracting the attention of someone there who might be able to find other info.
However, unfortunately she has started a new thread instead.
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JoonieCloonie
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23 Apr 2014 18:29 |
a big question is ... why New Zealand ?
if he emigrated he could have gone anywhere
also, relying on a person's statement of marital status in censuses is not always wise
someone may have thought they were still married when the spouse had in fact died ... or said they were widowed when the spouse was alive and well
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Valerie
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23 Apr 2014 21:38 |
Hi to you all
Thanks for all your help, apologies if I have got mixed up, I haven't found my around the boards properly yet.
I have noted your comments abt mistakes on censuses, over the years I have found quite a few things wrong which really throws you off the scent, and causes a lot of extra work.
The reason I thought New Zealand is that I have a photo of a man very nicely dressed taken in a studio in Auckland abt that time, and he looks a Sanders. the photo was in his sisters photo album, no names on any photos.
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JoonieCloonie
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23 Apr 2014 23:41 |
if you do a search at familysearch.org for
name Fred* Sanders date of birth 1852-1855 (I just wanted to limit the search a little) any event New Zealand
there are several passenger records for the name Fred/Fredk Sanders to New Zealand
1888 1892 Auckland (or other port) 1894 Wellington 1905 Wellington
knock out the 1892 one - occupation Boy https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KXC2-8QL
... ah, actually, I would bet many of them are the same person; occupations include Waiter and Steward on other records
that one may actually be in the 1911 English census - Fredrick Saunders transcribed by Ancestry as Frederick Launders - the waiter Fred also seems to appear as Saunders (and as initial F) in NZ immigration records - every trip he ever made is in those results I think!
Name: Frederick Launders Age in 1911: 53 Estimated birth year: abt 1858 Relation to Head: Lodger Gender: Male Birth Place: New Zealand Civil Parish: St Clement Danes and St Martin in the Fields County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Bruce House, Registered Lodging House, Kemble Street, Drury Lane W C Marital Status: Married Occupation: COOK (shipping)
so the Fred S in all the NZ immigration records is pretty certainly not your man but unfortunately he clogs up any search you might do, so I thought it useful to mention him just to avoid tripping on him in future :-)
just one probably rude question ... but you're certain the Auckland on the photo is the one in NZ? :-D
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Valerie
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11 Oct 2014 12:16 |
Hi these message just comeup ,since I posted them I have found that the Frederick Sanders I am looking for went to N S W Australia,and died in 1895, he drowned in the Parramatta river aged abt 40 the coroners report is on the internet. an annomymous note was sent back here to his family re his death, He had disappeared earlier and no one in the family knew where he went. or why Valerie exbrummie
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