Find Ancestors

Top tip - using the Genes Reunited community

Welcome to the Genes Reunited community boards!

  • The Genes Reunited community is made up of millions of people with similar interests. Discover your family history and make life long friends along the way.
  • You will find a close knit but welcoming group of keen genealogists all prepared to offer advice and help to new members.
  • And it's not all serious business. The boards are often a place to relax and be entertained by all kinds of subjects.
  • The Genes community will go out of their way to help you, so don’t be shy about asking for help.

Quick Search

Single word search

Icons

  • New posts
  • No new posts
  • Thread closed
  • Stickied, new posts
  • Stickied, no new posts

I can't find this lady anywhere

ProfilePosted byOptionsPost Date
Marked As Answer Marked as Answered

~Lynda~

~Lynda~ Report 31 May 2014 20:55

Can you help please?

Daisy Mary or Mary Daisy SIVIER ne MOWLAM

I am helping a friend with her tree, and have got really stuck looking for her Great Grandmother.

Here are the details I have................

I have the original birth certificate of Daisy/Mary's daughter b.1886 which states that her mother is Mary Daisy formerly Mowlam & her father who is William Sivier.

I have Daisy/Mary's memorial card which states her name then as Daisy Mary Sivier

I cannot find a birth or marriage for Daisy/Mary only a death which was in 1907

As I cannot find a marriage I don't know if they did indeed marry, although I have looked to see if I can find a Daisy Mary marrying a Mowlam, and I can't find that either.

There are no signs of Daisy Mowlam or Sivier of the right age in any census'

I'd be very grateful for any help to finding Daisy/Mary

Thank you :-D

alviegal

alviegal Report 31 May 2014 21:04

Right, here's her death with year of birth and area.


England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
Print this page View image
First name(s) DAISY MARY
Last name SIVIER
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1854
Age 53
Death quarter 2
Death year 1907
District ISLINGTON
District number -
County London
Country England

alviegal

alviegal Report 31 May 2014 21:08

There's a William here in the right area. What is his occupation on his daughter's birth certificate and what is her name please?

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Print household transcription
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
MARTHA HUDSON HEAD WIDOW Female 55 1836 LICENSED VICTUALLER MIDDLESEX
Image Transcription
EMILY HUDSON DAUGHTER SINGLE Female 22 1869 LICENSED ASSISTANT SURREY
Image Transcription
HARRY HUDSON SON SINGLE Male 19 1872 LICENSED ASSISTANT SURREY
Image Transcription
CHARLES A HUDSON SON SINGLE Male 17 1874 ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING APPRENTICE SURREY
Image Transcription
ANNIE L HUDSON DAUGHTER SINGLE Female 15 1876 LICENSED VICTUALLERS ASSISTANT MIDDLESEX
Image Transcription
CATHERINE HUMMERSTON SISTER SINGLE Female 44 1847 HOUSEKEEPER MIDDLESEX
Image Transcription
WILLIAM SIVIER SERVANT SINGLE Male 35 1856 BARMAN ISLE OF WIGHT
Image Transcription
ANNIE TURNER SERVANT SINGLE Female 22 1869 DOMESTIC SERVANT MIDDLESEX

First name(s) WILLIAM
Last name SIVIER
Relationship to head SERVANT
Marital condition SINGLE
Gender Male
Age 35
Birth year 1856
Occupation BARMAN
Birth town -
Birth county ISLE OF WIGHT
House name -
Street JUNCTION ROAD
Parish ISLINGTON
Town LONDON

Mary

Mary Report 31 May 2014 21:18

??William Swier married O/N/D 1881 London City to Mary Mowlam V1c P16

Bottom of original view has William Sivier handwriten.

Maryb.

~Lynda~

~Lynda~ Report 31 May 2014 21:21

Hi alviegal, That is the right William, he was a barman, he is equally elusive, although I have him in the 1881 1891& 1911 census.

daughters name is Maud Violet, and she is registered as surname Sivier.

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 31 May 2014 21:22

Who is the daughter b 1886 and have you found her on any census

safc

safc Report 31 May 2014 21:23

William Sivier, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: William Sivier
Birth Date: 1851
Birthplace:
Age: 30
Spouse's Name: Mary Moulam
Spouse's Birth Date: 1850
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 31
Event Date: 20 Dec 1881
Event Place: St. Andrew, Holborn, Middlesex, England
Father's Name: William Sivier
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: William Moulam
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status: Single
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00745-3
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 374385
Reference ID: Vol.29 P.228 N.456

~Lynda~

~Lynda~ Report 31 May 2014 21:24

Oh Mary, that looks very interesting, about the right time, and area,it maybe worth me getting that certificate. Thank you very much for that :-D

alviegal

alviegal Report 31 May 2014 21:26


England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription
Print this page View image
First name(s) MAUD VIOLET
Last name SIVIER
Birth year 1886
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name -
District ISLINGTON
County London
Country England
Volume 1B
Page 350


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Maud Violet Sivier
Name: Maud Violet Sivier
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Age: 26
Spouse Name: Herbert Mineham
Spouse Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 Sep 1913
Parish: Battle Bridge All Saints
Borough: Islington
Father Name: William Sivier, barman (dec)
Spouse Father: Joseph Mineham
Register Type: Parish Register

alviegal

alviegal Report 31 May 2014 21:34

??


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about William Thomas Sivier
Name: William Thomas Sivier
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1852
Registration district: Isle of Wight
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 419


??

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Print household transcription
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
JANE SIVIER HEAD MARRIED Female 36 1825 VICTUALLER CHALE, HAMPSHIRE
Image Transcription
WILLIAM THOMAS SIVIER SON - Male 8 1853 SCHOLAR NORTHWOOD, HAMPSHIRE
Image Transcription
JANE SIVIER DAUGHTER - Female 6 1855 SCHOLAR NORTHWOOD, HAMPSHIRE
Image Transcription
LOUISA SIVIER DAUGHTER - Female - - SCHOLAR NORTHWOOD, HAMPSHIRE
Image Transcription
CHARLES RICHARD SIVIER SON - Male 3 1858 - NORTHWOOD, HAMPSHIRE
Image Transcription
GEORGE HENRY SIVIER SON - Male 1 1860 - NORTHWOOD, HAMPSHIRE

First name(s) JANE
Last name SIVIER
Relationship HEAD
Marital condition MARRIED
Gender Female
Age 36
Birth year 1825
Occupation VICTUALLER
Birth town CHALE
Birth county HAMPSHIRE
Birth place -
House number -
House name VOLUNTEER INN
Street NEWPORT ROAD
Parish NORTHWOOD

safc

safc Report 31 May 2014 21:38

Maud Sivier, "England and Wales Census, 1891"
Name: Maud Sivier
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
Gender: Female
Age: 4
Relationship to Head of Household:
Birthplace: Islington, London
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Islington
Sub-District: Islington South West
Ecclesiastical Parish: All Saints
Parish: Islington
County: London, Middlesex

~Lynda~

~Lynda~ Report 31 May 2014 21:52

GB, I have found Maud on the 1911, but not on the 1891 or 1901, but looks like safc may have found her in the 1891

safc I'm assuming that marriage is the same one as Mary found? Thank you Can I ask where you found Maud, I can't find her on Ancestry,also who was she living with please

alviegal I have the marriage thank you, but the surname of her husband is Nineham, the name is mis transcribed on lots of records.

Thanks everyone for all your help :-D

safc

safc Report 31 May 2014 22:00

lynda

info found here

https://familysearch.org/search

the image for maud sivier in the census can be found here

http://www.findmypast.co.uk/

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 31 May 2014 22:01

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Mary Morelane
Name: Mary Morelane
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Age: 31
Spouse Name: William Swier occ: barman
Spouse Age: 30
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Dec 1881
Parish: St Andrew Holborn
Borough: City of London
Father Name: William Morelane occ: Police Inspector???
Spouse Father: William Swier occ:Hotel Proprietor
Register Type: Parish Register

Bride and groom's address were both 43 Grays Inn Rd.

Won't attempt the witnesses!

Moxx
Probably too late. :-)

Dea

Dea Report 31 May 2014 22:13

Witneses:

William Withers or Witherson + Ellen Harriet Bridgeman..

Dea Xxx

~Lynda~

~Lynda~ Report 31 May 2014 22:17

Thank you safc :-D

Mo, you are certainly not to late. Thank you so much, that is them, that transcription is awful, isn't it

This has given me new leads to go back now, I really started to think that they hadn't married and that would have probably meant a dead end, i'm well chuffed now, so will my friend be.

Thanks Dea :-D

Thanks again everyone for your help, it's really appreciated :-D :-D

Nicola

Nicola Report 1 Feb 2016 23:43

I am researching this tree for a friend(grand daughter of Herbert Nineham and Maud V Sivier) she has some interesting doc's relating to Maud and mother Mary. It would be great to share some info.
Regards Nicky

Rambling

Rambling Report 2 Feb 2016 17:26

Nicky, Lynda is still around but may not see your post on the end of this thread, so click on her name and send a message and she will be notified. :-)