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For who ever wishes to try and solve it.

In one family of TURNERS I have
Eliza b 1819 d 1834
Ann b 1823 d c 1891 m 1843 to Francis Adams
Richard b 1824 .......maybe died 1883
Alexander b1828 d 1882 m 1852 Ellen Carnall m 1856 Ann Carnall
Rosamund b 1835 d 1835

They were all born in Ridgeway Derbyshire to Robert Turner and Ann Drury..
The girls are accounted for but ............*drum roll*
in 1881 Alexander living at 35 Florence St Attercliffe Sheffield has nieces Esther H J Turner 8 and Florence J Turner 1 Wadsley Yorks visiting.

Who are Esther and Florence ???
The only sibling left for them to be nieces is Richard and from what I can follow of Richard in 1851 and 1861 he lived at home a carpenter joiner his father died in 1865, Mum already dead so I think this is him
1871 workhouse chesterfield joiner ..inbecile from birth ? b1823
1881 workhouse Chesterfield joiner imbecile
So I can´t see that he is their father
Also I can´t find births for either of them :-S
nor can I find them after 1881

Anybody fancy trying to solve it ??

PS there was a Esther Hannah J Haigh born in Doncaster in 1873 but not a Florence and I can´t tally the Haighs into it either.

I hope you don't mind me adding census details. I find it easier to work out connections this way.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
35, Florence Street, Attercliffe cum Darnall, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Alex Turner Head Married Male 52 1829 Carpenter Ridgeway, Derbyshire
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Ann Turner Wife Married Female 55 1826 - Ridgeway, Derbyshire
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Harry Turner Son Single Male 23 1858 Blacksmith Ridgeway, Derbyshire
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Esther E Turner Daughter Single Female 21 1860 Dressmaker Ridgeway, Derbyshire
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John C Turner Son Single Male 16 1865 Rlwy Carriage Finisher Ridgeway, Derbyshire
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Eliza Turner Daughter Single Female 13 1868 Scholar Ridgeway, Derbyshire
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Esther H J Turner Niece Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Wadsley, Yorkshire
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Florence J Turner Niece Single Female 1 1880 Visitor Wadsley, Yorkshire



1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Florence Street, Attercliffe cum Darnall, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Alex Turner Head - Male 42 1829 - Derbyshire
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Ann Turner Wife - Female 45 1826 - Derbyshire
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William Turner Son - Male 14 1857 - Derbyshire
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Harry Turner Son - Male 13 1858 - Derbyshire
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Annis Turner Daughter - Female 9 1862 - Derbyshire
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John C Turner Son - Male 6 1865 - Derbyshire
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Eliza Turner Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Derbyshire


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Sload Lane, Eckington Troway, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Alex Turner Head Married Male 32 1829 Master Joiner Derby Eckington
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Ann Turner Wife Married Female 35 1826 - Derby Eckington
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William Turner Son - Male 4 1857 Scholar Derby Eckington
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Harry Turner Son - Male 3 1858 - Derby Eckington
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Esther E Turner Daughter - Female 1 1860 - Derby Eckington


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Ridgway Moor, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Turner Head Married Male 56 1795 Carpenter Employing 2 Man Eckington, Derbyshire
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Sarah Turner Wife Married Female 39 1812 Carpenter Wife Eckington, Derbyshire
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Richard Turner Son Unmarried Male 26 1825 Carpenter Journeyman Eckington, Derbyshire
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Alexander Turner Son Unmarried Male 22 1829 Carpenter Journeyman Eckington, Derbyshire
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Tirza Rhodes Daughter-In-Law Unmarried Female 15 1836 Servant Sheffield, Yorkshire


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Ridgway, Eckington, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Robt Turner Male 40 1801 Derbyshire
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Ann Turner Female 30 1811 Derbyshire
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Ann Turner Female 20 1821 Derbyshire
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Richard Turner Male 15 1826 Derbyshire
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Alick Turner Male 13 1828 Derbyshire
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Samuel Goodwin Male 15 1826 Derbyshire, carpenter's apprentice

I notice on the 1881 census Esther H.J. seems to be living with the family but Florence J. is just a visitor so possibly not sisters.

How does this fit in? The Turners are stepchildren.

1891 England Census
about Florence Turner Name: Florence Turner
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relation: Stepdaughter
Mother's name: Caroline Clarke
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Ecclesall Bierlow
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub-registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
ED, institution, or vessel: 45
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3809
Folio: 30
Page Number: 53
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick Clarke 44
Caroline Clarke 44
Tom Clarke 20
John Turner 19
Robert W Clarke 12
Florence Turner 11
John U Clarke 10

Sorry, that 1891 is probably a different family, they have Florence in 1881 aged 2.

1881 England Census
about Florence Turner Name: Florence Turner
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: William Turner
Mother: Caroline Turner
Gender: Female
Where born: Heeley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Heeley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: CT 1 No 3 Heeley Green
Education:

Employment status: View image
Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub-registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
ED, institution, or vessel: 61
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4640
Folio: 6
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
William Turner 38
Caroline Turner 34
William R. Turner 13
Alice M. Turner 12
John Turner 11
Frederick Turner 7
Emma Turner 5
Florence Turner 2

Alviegal add all you want .if it helps

Margee I looked into that one but Caroline comes up as a dead end to my family I will say I hadn´t thought about them not being sisters as they are both from the same area. Mind even if they were step children as Turners they are direct to Alexander Turner (Uncle)

It doesn´t help that I can´t find births for either of them

I will add that I also wondered about the J in both of their names ...as in maybe Turner isn´t their real surname ?

I take it Robert married Sarah before 1851 and Thirza Rhodes may have been her daughter?

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Marsh Lane, Eckington, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Robt Gladall Male 55 1786 Derbyshire
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Ann Gladall Female 55 1786 Derbyshire
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Mark Gladall Male 15 1826 Derbyshire
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Geo Gladall Male 15 1826 Derbyshire
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Eliza Gladall Female 15 1826 Derbyshire
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Thirza Roades Female 6 1835 -


The Turner girls are proving to be a mystery. Sorry must go now but will look back. :-S

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Births Dec 1872

Jowle Esther Harriet Wortley 9c 235


Births Sep 1879

Jowle Florence Wortley 9c 279



Marriages Dec 1895 (>99%)


Jowle Esther Harriett Ecclesall B. 9c 567
Reed Alfred Enoch Ecclesall B. 9c 567

Alviegal
Robert married Sarah Rhodes (second marriage) in 1850 Thirza was his step daughter They had 2 children Eliza b 1851 Ridgeway married Joseph Levick 1870 so not her children
Mark b 1854 married Eunice Renshaw in 1878 and died in 1878

1911 England Census


Name: Esther Harriett Reed
Age in 1911: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Birth Place: Wadsley, Sheffield

Civil Parish: Ecclesall
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: 53 Greaves St Sheffield
Marital Status: Married

Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Registration District Number: 509
Sub-registration district: Ecclesall North
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Piece: 27714

Household Members:

Alfred Enoch Reed 37
Esther Harriett Reed 38

Choccy you crossed posts there and Jowle is a name that I know well in my tree you just may have cracked it ..Now to find out who the parents are ???

Bless you

JOWLE, Esther Harriet (of Wadsley, born ~).
Baptised October 27, 1872, by F C Morton at Wadsley, Sheffield.
Parents name(s) are Annie & Christopher (Quarry Man).
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http://sheffieldindexers.com/ParishBaptismIndex.html

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Marriages Jun 1872 (>99%)

Belk Annie Wortley 9c 269
JOWLE Christopher Wortley 9c 269

1881 England Census

Name:Cristopher Jowle
Age:32
Estimated birth year:abt 1849
Relationship to Head:Head
Spouse:Annie Jowle
Gender:Male
Where born:Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish:Ecclesfield
County/Island:Yorkshire
Country:England

Street address:Park Nook

Marital Status:Married

Occupation:Laborer

Registration district:Wortley
Sub-registration district:Ecclesfield
ED, institution, or vessel:12
Piece:4617
Folio:144
Page Number:47

Household Members:

Cristopher Jowle 32
Annie Jowle 28
Clara Jowle 6
William Jowle 5
Sarah H. Jowle 2
Alex T. Jowle

Deaths Mar 1883

JOWLE Florence 3 Wortley 9c 165

JOWLE, Florence (of Wadsley, born ~).
Baptised August 27, 1879, by M Holmes at Wadsley, Sheffield.
Parents name(s) are Ellen & John (Cutler).
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JOWLE, Florence (of Wadsley, born ~).
Baptised August 27, 1879, by M Holmes at Wadsley, Sheffield.
Parents name(s) are Ellen & John (Cutler).
Note:

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Name: John P Jowle
Age (Original): 36
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1845
Birthplace: Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Spring Knife Cutler
Address: Park Nook
Event Place: Ecclesfield, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1342115
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 4617 / 144
Page Number: 47


Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
John P Jowle Head M 36 Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England
Ellen Jowle Wife F 31 Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England
John W Jowle Son M 12 Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England
Ann E Jowle Daughter F 10 Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England
Mark Jowle Son M 9 Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England
Ellen Jowle Daughter F 8 Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England
Martha Jowle Daughter F 6 Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England

Marriages Dec 1867 (>99%)


BELK Ellen Wortley 9c 289

JOWLE John Pashley Wortley 9c 289

Name: Christopher Jowle
Birth Date: 1847
Birthplace:
Age: 25
Spouse's Name: Annie Belk
Spouse's Birth Date: 1853
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 19
Event Date: 19 May 1872
Event Place: Ecclesfield, York, England
Father's Name: John Jowle
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: Mark Belk
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03078-4
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1938073
Reference ID: 90