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Hi,everybody,again.Trying to trace Margaret after 1871 Census.
1861 shows her,age 1,at Escombe with parents,Christopher and Sarah.This
Sarah seems to have died in 1861.
1871 shows her,age 11 at Etherley Moor,(Under name of Siddle) with her father,
who has remarried,( Sarah Davidson) and new family.
There is a marriage for a Margaret J.Liddle in 1879,Auckland to either John Coates
or Isaac Downing,but can't find Margaret under either name in 1881 Census,
Could you help please?
Regards,Terry L.

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Marriage certificate for:
Name: LIDDLE, Margaret J
Year: 1879

Other index entries for this marriage:
COATES, John


http://gro.durham.gov.uk/

Family trees on Ancestry have Isaac marrying Mary Thomas, so the Margaret above must have married John Coates.
Jan

Just as a matter of interest, Ancestry's transcription of 1871 shows her as Lidder - which is reasonable, given the handwriting in the image:


1871 England Census about Margaret I Lidder
Name: Margaret I Lidder
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Christopher Lidder
Mother's name: Sarah Lidder
Gender: Female
Where born: Gosport, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Bishop Auckland
Ecclesiastical parish: Auckland St Andrew
Town: Etherley Moor
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Auckland
Sub-registration district: Bishop Auckland
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 106
Piece: 4925
Folio: 65
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Christopher Lidder 34
Sarah Lidder 35
Margaret I Lidder 11
Maria Davison 9
Letitia Davison 7
Thomas R Lidder 2
Joseph Lidder 1

I think you have no choice but to get that marriage cert as shown by safc.
Must say I can't find them either!
Jan

Thanks again,guys.I did think it was John Coates she married.Still unable to find them after the marriage.
Regards,Terry L.

Hi Terrence, i have had a look around and found one piece of info quite interesting.

In 1907 there is a passenger in the name of mrs MJ Coates leaving london port on the boat named Athenic. Destination -wellington.

Dont know if this is your missing lady?

Sorry cant find anything else

florence
in the hebrides

Thank you,Florence and every body.Interesting indeed.Sounds a good reason for not being in later Census's here.One of the mysteries is her birth place in
Gossport, Hampshire? Why? I don't know,as every thing else suggests they are
Co.Durham born.
Regards,Terry L.

Just to confuse things, I wonder who this lady is:


1901 England Census
Margaret Jane Lidder

Age:40
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1861
Relation to Head:Housekeeper
Gender:Female
Birth Place:South Hetton, Durham, England
Civil Parish:Lanchester
Ecclesiastical parish:Lanchester St Mary
County/Island:Durham

George Parker 77, widower, Farm Baliff, b Lanchester
Margaret Jane Lidder 40

Looks like Liddle on the image. And it says she's single.

You definitely need that marriage cert, Terence, in case we're chasing two different Margarets!

Thanks again.As you say a marriage cert may be required to prove positive.
Regards.Terry L.

Some details of John Coates from the marriage cert might help us trace them, too - if he married the right Margaret.

EDIT: Info below from Dea shows this is not the couple from Coates/ Liddle marriage.

Just putting this up just in case:

1891 - possible for the Coates/ Liddle marriage? (although this margaret would be very young to get married in 1879)

John Coates Head Married Male 32 1859 Coal Miner Shildon, Durham,
Margaret J Coates Wife Married Female 26 1865 Shildon, Durham,

Individual transcription
First name(s) Margaret J
Last name Coates
Relationship Wife
Marital status Married
Gender Female
Age 26
Birth year 1865
Birth town Shildon
Birth county Durham
Street Fulton Terrace
Town Shildon
Parish Shildon
County Durham
Registration district Auckland
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 4070
Folio 113
Page 39
Record set 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

This looks to be the family above on 1911:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
60 Furwell Road Sunderland, Sunderland, Durham, England
Print household transcription
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
John Coates Head Married Male 52 1859 Durham Shildon Coal Miner Hewer
Margaret Jane Coates Wife Married Female 46 1865 Durham Shildon -
Edna Coates Daughter - Female 7 1904 Durham Shildon -

Dea x

This marriage would seem to be theirs as married 21 years:

Marriages Sep 1889
Coates John Auckland 10a 281
CUMMIN Margaret Jane Auckland 10a

Dea x

Thanks Dea- did think she would've been too young.

Good try though Gritty ;-) :-(

Dea x

Thanks Everybody.My thoughts exactly about age of MJ.1861 Census says she is only Age 1.So if 1879 marriage correct she would be 18.Maybe not that young for a marriage ,I suppose.?? Then again,1911 age should read as 51? Will have to look further into this.Still the most puzzling is her birth place ,given both in 1861&71,as
Gosport,Hampshire!!! Will plod on.Thanks to all.

Regards,Terry L.

There's no sign of her birth in Hampshire on FreeBMD.
But strange that Gosport is given in two censuses - if only in one it could be a mistake, but not two.

Is it possible that she was adopted - birth registered under some other name??
In which case we'll never find it.

Very true,ArgyllGran.Another mystery!! Genealogy,if nothing else,certainly stays interesting and,at times,frustrating.
Many thanks,Terry L.