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This is a puzzling family member
Jane is the daughter of Robert Cooper b:1819 Scotland and Mary Cooper (nee Aiton) b: 1821 Scotland
The 1861 shows the following information for the family
Robert Cooper Age: 42yrs b: 1819 Scotland Head
Mary Cooper Age 40yrs b:1821 Scotland Wife
Margaret Cooper Age: 14yrs b: 1847 Bolton Lancashire Dau
Jennatt Cooper Age: 7yrs b:1854 Scotland Dau
Jane Cooper Age: 5yrs b:1856 Ireland Dau
Sarah Cooper Age: 2yrs b: 1859 Bolton Lancashire Dau
The family at the time of the census where living at 35 Grant Street Great Bolton Lancashire

My questions are
1. Would Jane's birth have been registered in Ireland
2. would there be any information for passengers sailing to Ireland and from
Ireland

Many thanks

Hi

If I remember correctly, civil registration in Ireland didn't come in until 1864 so a baptism is all you could hope to find, saying that, I can't see one

There are no passenger lists from or to Ireland

Thanks Gins

Do you have the other records? Was hoping to find where in Ireland Jane was born. No luck though.


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Wheeleys Lane Malakhoff Place, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Cooper Head - Male 50 1821 - currier Scotland
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Mary Cooper Wife - Female 50 1821 - Scotland
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Jannet Cooper Daughter - Female 17 1854 - tinplater polisher Scotland
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Jena Cooper Daughter - Female 15 1856 - tinplater polisher Ireland


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bk, 11, Washington Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Cooper Head Married Male 62 1819 Currier & Leather Dresser Scotland
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Mary Cooper Wife Married Female 60 1821 - Scotland
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Janet Cooper Daughter Single Female 28 1853 Tin Polisher Scotland
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Robert Cooper Grand Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Hi alviegal

Had seen these two census returns for 1871 and 1881
the information I have prior to 1861 is as follows:

1851 Census family living at 38 James Street, Parish of Carlton Lanarkshire
Robert Cooper Age:32y b: Hamilton Lanarkshire Head
Mary A Cooper Age: 30y b: Glasgow Wife
Agnes Cooper Age: 11y b: Glasgow Dau
Jane Cooper Age: 9y b: Salford Manchester Dau
Robert Cooper Age: 8y b: Musselburgh Son
Mary Cooper Age: 6y b: England Dau
Margaret Cooper Age 4y b: England Dau

Marriage Robert Cooper and Mary A Aiton 18/09/1837 St Cuthberts Edinburgh

Hi

Are these two different families? Jane on the above 1851 is born in Lancashire



Manchester, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1901 (Cathedral)


Name:Jane Cooper

Birth Date:27 May 1841

Baptism Date:20 Jun 1841

Parish:Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George

Father's Name:
Robert Cooper <<Currier

Mother's name:
Mary Cooper

Archive Roll:764

Sorry Jane should be Lancashire I had been looking for Births in Lancashire but then noticed that the Jane b Manchester her parents where Robert and Louise

Robert and Mary had two daughters named Jane one born 1842 Lancashire and the other born 1856 Ireland, so I am thinking Jane b: 1842 had died

Have ruled out the two census for 1871 and 1881 as these are in Birmingham

The 1851 Scottish Census not English Census

I am now wondering if the 1841 baptism you have found is the first Jane in the family, maybe I should get someone to have a look at the 1841 Census and see if Mary Cooper (Mother) was in manchester for the census as it would have been carried out close to the Birth of Jane, she could have been staying with someone at the time of the birth

The 1841 Census for England was taken on the night of 6 June 1841


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Lever Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
>>Robt Cooper Male 20 1821 Scotland
D? Currier
>>Agnes Aiton Female 40 1801 Scotland
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>>George Aiton Male 4 1837 Scotland
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>>Mary Cooper Female 20 1821 Scotland
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>>Agnes Cooper Female 2 1839 Scotland
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>>Jane Cooper Female 0 1841 Lancashire
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Saml McClung Male 45 1796 Scotland
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Catharine McClung Female 55 1786 Ireland
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John Mulby Male 35 1806 -
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Mary Mulby Female 40 1801 -
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Thomas Tracey Male 40 1801 Ireland
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Ellen Tracey Female 35 1806 Ireland
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Margt Tracey Female 15 1826 Ireland
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Jane Tracey Female 13 1828 Ireland
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Ann Tracey Female 11 1830 Ireland
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Mary Tracey Female 7 1834 Ireland
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Ann Donelley Female 23 1818 Ireland
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Ellen Hart Female 18 1823 Lancashire

As Jane disappears between 1871 and 1881, I was wondering about this marriage?


Birmingham, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937 about Jean Cooper
Name: Jean Cooper of Essex St
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1854
Marriage Date: 22 Feb 1874
Marriage Age: 20
Marriage Place: Birmingham, St Martin, Warwickshire, England
Spouse: John Cook, silversmith of Essex St
Spouse Gender: Male
Spouse Marriage Age: 19
Father: Robert Cooper, currier
Spouse's Father: John Cook, wheelwright
Reference Number: DRO 34
Archive Roll: M122

Thomas Alfred Lynes and Mary-Jane Maria? Freeman were witnesses.


and then


Both widowed.

Birmingham, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937 about Jean Cook
Name: Jean Cook, tin? cleaner of 2 Whitney Place
[Jean Cooper]
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1859
Marriage Date: 11 Nov 1906
Marriage Age: 47
Marriage Place: Birmingham, St Mark, Warwickshire, England
Spouse: Alfred Palmer, ironworker of 9 Whitney Place
Spouse Gender: Male
Spouse Marriage Age: 52
Father: Robert Cooper, leather currier
Spouse's Father: William Palmer, carpenter
Reference Number: DRO 33
Archive Roll: 615


Samuel Green, Frank Leather, Mary Green and Margaret Cook were witnesses.

Ah ha, possible?


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Ct 39/, 10, Irving Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Cook Head Married Male 26 1855 Silver Smith Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Jane Cook Wife Married Female 25 1856 - Belfast, Antrim, Ireland
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Mary Cook Daughter Single Female 3 1878 Scholar Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Harriet Cook Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Jane Cook Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Mary Greygans Visitor Married Female 35 1846 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
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Frederick Greygans Visitor Single Male 0 1881 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England



Image does read Leah for mother and daughter instead of Jean. But Frances should read Harriet.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Berners Street, Aston, Warwickshire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Cook Head Married Male 36 1855 Pencil Case Maker Birmingham
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Leah Cook Wife Married Female 35 1856 Tin Cleaner -
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Mary Cook Daughter Single Female 13 1878 Scholar Birmingham
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Frances Cook Daughter Single Female 12 1879 Scholar Birmingham
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Leah Cook Daughter Single Female 10 1881 Scholar Birmingham
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Agnes Cook Daughter Single Female 8 1883 Scholar Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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John Cook Son Single Male 5 1886 - Birmingham
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William Cook Son Single Male 3 1888 - Birmingham
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Margaret Cook Daughter Single Female 2 1889 - Birmingham
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William Cook Brother Single Male 46 1845 Brass Castor Birmingham

Birmingham, England, Baptisms, 1813-1912 about Mary Cook
Name: Mary Cook
Birth Date: 12 May 1877
Baptism Date: 27 Feb 1888
Baptism Place: Birmingham, St Mark, Warwickshire, England
Father: John Cook
Mother: Jean Cook
Reference Number: DRO 33
Archive Roll: 613

Baptised with Harriet, b 21 Nov 1878, Jean b 22 Nov 1880, Agnes b 3 Aug 1882, John b 8 Apr 1885 and William. Father was a pencilcase maker of 9 Grosvenor Place, Camden Street,



Birmingham, England, Baptisms, 1813-1912 about Margaret Cook
Name: Margaret Cook
Baptism Date: 22 Aug 1889
Baptism Place: Birmingham, St Mark, Warwickshire, England
Father: John Cook, silversmith of 11 Tridale? Street
Mother: Jean Cook
Reference Number: DRO 33
Archive Roll: 613

Birmingham, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937 about Margaret Cook
Name: Margaret Cook, warehouse woman of 2 Whitney Place
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1886
Marriage Date: 11 Nov 1906
Marriage Age: 20
Marriage Place: Birmingham, St Mark, Warwickshire, England
Spouse: Frank Leather, brassdresser of 5 Whitney Place
Spouse Gender: Male
Spouse Marriage Age: 21
Father: John Cook (reads Cooper) Son of Robert in above entry
Spouse's Father: Joseph Leather, brassfitter
Reference Number: DRO 33
Archive Roll: 615


Harriet Cook and George Pearce? were witnesses.

This marriage is on the same page as Jean Cook and Alfred Palmer above.

EDIT Reposting to keep things together.

Birmingham, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937 about Jean Cook
Name: Jean Cook, tin? cleaner of 2 Whitney Place
[Jean Cooper]
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1859
Marriage Date: 11 Nov 1906
Marriage Age: 47
Marriage Place: Birmingham, St Mark, Warwickshire, England
Spouse: Alfred Palmer, ironworker of 9 Whitney Place
Spouse Gender: Male
Spouse Marriage Age: 52
Father: Robert Cooper, leather currier
Spouse's Father: William Palmer, carpenter
Reference Number: DRO 33
Archive Roll: 615


Samuel Green, Frank Leather, Mary Green and Margaret Cook were witnesses.

Thanks alviegal

Thank you
A lot of information to take in

The 1841 Census is interesting

Mary Cooper nee Aiton I wonder if Agnes Aiton is her mother not sure who George Aiton is.

As there are a lot of names in the household wondering if the property was some sort of boarding house
Do you have access to the actual census document would be interesting to see relationship details and Occ of other people as there seem to be a mix of Scottish and Irish people

And the 1911


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
121 Lord St Walsall, Walsall, Staffordshire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Alfred Palmer Head Married Male 58 1853 Birmingham Thearer In Edge Tooles Works
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Jean Palmer Wife Married Female 51 1860 Belfast Resident -

Hi Ann, I think Lever Street in 1841 was possibly like tenements with families in 1 room. There are lots of Scots and Irish in the mix.

This is Ancestry's version of that 1841 census. And it's correct. On the image, all those other people in the version posted by Alviegal are in three other households, all in Lever Street. There are eight pages of Lever Street households, with no house numbers.

However, it's not necessarily right in saying Robert was born in Ireland. There's a tick in the column for "Whether born in Scotland, Ireland, or Foreign Parts". The transcriber has decided that all the others in the family were born in Scotland, except Jane, who was born Lancashire.

No relationships given, nor occupations, except for Robert, who's a currier :


1841 England Census about Robt Cooper
Name: Robt Cooper
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Manchester
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: Lever Street
Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Market Street
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 573
Book: 11
Folio: 13
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
Robt Cooper 20
Agnes Aiton 40
George Aiton 4
Mary Cooper 20
Agnes Cooper 2
Jane Cooper 1 Mo

Thank you

now the mystery deepens

Robert Cooper born Scotland or Ireland further research need now

Agnes and George Aiton in 1851. They must have been just visiting the Coopers in 1841:


1851 Scotland Census about Agnes Aiton
Name: Agnes Aiton
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Relationship: Wife
Spouse: Robert Aiton
Gender: Female
Where born: Hamilton, Lanark
Parish Number: 647
Civil Parish: Hamilton
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County: Lanarkshire
Address: 53 Muir St
ED: 2A
Page: 19
Household schedule number: 79
LINE: 15
Roll: CSSCT1851_168
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Aiton 18 - age must be a mistranscription - Sheriff Court Clerk
Agnes Aiton 50
Margaret Aiton 28
Robert Aiton 26
William Aiton 21
John Aiton 16
George Aiton 14
Margaret Ryle 18 - servant


And 1861??
Robert is a solicitor, not in practice:


1861 England Census about George Aiton
Name: George Aiton
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: 1838
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert Aiton
Mother's name: Agnes Aiton
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil Parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Simon
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea North East
ED, institution, or vessel: 3d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 198
Piece: 39
Folio: 15
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Aiton 78
Agnes Aiton 60
George Aiton 23