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I have a puzzle, my great grandmother was always vague about her birth through searching I have found her by tracing back from her marriage cert, as far as I was aware she was born Florence Anne Hurwood 13/03/1886 but I never found her birth until recently but here lies another twist the date of birth is correct her last name NOT on the cert she is Florence Anne Churchill mother Louisa Hicks father Arthur Churchill area born correct Somers Town St Pancras.
On the 1891 census lists them as Florence Anne hurwood, Arthur Churchill Hurwood
I can find no record of a marriage for Louisa to a Churchill just to a Hurwood
I think I am going round in circles and don't know which way to go
Can some one point me in the right direction?????
waiting in anticipation
regards
Lorraine :-S

The surname of the child is not recorded on its birth cert

And it may be that that surname of the father was omitted for some reason - perhaps whoever registered the birth didn't actually give it

When and where was the marriage you have found?

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Doynton Street, St Pancras, Pancras, London, England

Print transcription View image Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Hurwood Head Married Male 26 1865 French Polisher Lambeth, Middlesex, England Transcription
Louisa Hurwood Wife Married Female 27 1864 - St Pancras, Middlesex, England Transcription
Arthur Churchill Hurwood Son - Male 6 1885 Scholar Marylebone, Middlesex, England Transcription
Florence Annie Hurwood Daughter - Female 5 1886 Scholar St Pancras, Middlesex, England

For ref



London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906


Name:Florence Anne Churchill

Record Type:Baptism

Baptism Date:29 Mar 1886 <<DOB March 12th

Father's Name:
Arthur Churchill <<Clerk

Mother's name:
Louisa Churchill

Parish or Poor Law Union:St Pancras

Borough:Camden

Register Type:Parish Registers

I think the age on the 1891 census is wrong but it's hard to make out on the image, maybe 46?


Looks like two different families?



England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
about John Hurwood




Name:John Hurwood

Gender:Male

Marriage Date:24 May 1874

Marriage Place:
Old Church,Saint Pancras,London,England

Spouse:
Louisa Pearce

FHL Film Number:
598349, 598350, 598351, 598352, 598353, 598354, 598355




London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about John Hurwood




Name:John Hurwood <<French polisher (Bachelor)

Spouse:
Louisa Pearce Spinster

Record Type:Marriage

Event Date:24 May 1874

Parish:
Parish Chapel, St Pancras

Borough:Camden

Father Name:
Edward Hurwood <<Engineer

Spouse Father:
William Pearce Stained glass plate glazier

Register Type:Parish Register

Who did Florence marry?

Who did she name as her father?

On the 1891 census Arthur Churchill Hurwood is only 6 years old so can't be the father of your Florence Ann Hurwood - he is her brother and the father's name is John. Is this the family you found in 1891?:-

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

John Hurwood Head Married Male 26 1865 French Polisher Lambeth, Middlesex, England
Louisa Hurwood Wife Married Female 27 1864 - St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Arthur Churchill Hurwood Son - Male 6 1885 Scholar Marylebone, Middlesex, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Florence Annie Hurwood Daughter - Female 5 1886 Scholar St Pancras, Middlesex, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Kath. x

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First name(s) FLORENCE A
Last name HURWOOD
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1911
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ FLORENCE A HURWOOD married one of these people
ELLEN J ANDREW, CAROLINE J MOFFATT, WILLIAM C ROGERS, ALEXANDER F SWAN
Spouse's last name -
District EDMONTON

John Hurwood died in 1898.......


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about John Hurwood Name:John Hurwood
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1854
Registration Year:1898
Registration Quarter:Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death:44
Registration district:Edmonton
Inferred County:Middlesex
Volume:3a
Page:221

Louisa remarried 1899........

Note that it gives her Fathers name as "Henry Churchill".......which might indicate that Florence was Louisa's illegitimate daughter.......


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Edward Plumb Name:Edward Plumb
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1862
Age:37
Spouse: Louisa Harwood (Widow) Hurwood on the image
Spouse Age:36
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:18 Mar 1899
Parish:St Matthew, Bethnal Green
Borough:Tower Hamlets
Father Name:Stephen Plumb
Spouse Father:Henry Harwood >>>>>Henry Churchill (Carpenter) on the image
Register Type:Parish Register

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Louisa Churchill Name:Louisa Churchill
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:29 Apr 1863
Father's Name:Henry Churchill (Labourer) 22 Judd Street
Mother's name:Anne Churchill
Parish or Poor Law Union:Regent Square
Borough:Camden
Register Type:Bishop's Transcript

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about John Herwood




Name:
John Herwood

Record Type:
Baptism

Baptism Date:
21 Aug 1853

Father's Name:
Edward Herwood

Mother's name:
Julia Herwood

Parish or Poor Law Union:
Lambeth St John the Evangelist

Borough:
Lambeth

Register Type:
Parish Registers

the ages on 1891 - I would say - are 36 for John and 27 for Louisa.

We need to know who Florence named as her father, as she isn't with family in either 1901 or 1911

I would reckon that both Arthur and Florence were illegitimate,

Churchill on the image........

1871 England Census
about Louisa Chechile Name:Louisa Chechile
Age:9
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1862
Relation:Daughter
Father's Name:Henry Chechile
Mother's name:Ann Chechile
Gender:Female
Where born:St Pancras
Civil Parish:St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish:St Peter
County/Island:London
Country:England
Registration district:Pancras
Sub-registration district:Gray

Res: 22 Judd Street

Household Members:

Henry Chechile 49 (Labourer)
Ann Chechile 44
Peter Chechile 19
Mary Ann Chechile 17
Susan Chechile 15
Henry Chechile 14
George Chechile 11
Louisa Chechile 9
Emily Chechile 3
Florence C Chechile 1

There is an Ancestry tree with the Hurwood family as given above. According to them Louisa's maiden name was Pearce.
Not sure if that helps or hinders!
Jan

The Pearce marriage was in 1874, when Louisa would have been 10

Births Jun 1886 (>99%)

Churchill Florence Ann Pancras 1b 76

I can't see any sign of a marriage between John and Louisa

Thank you all for your replies
I was too thinking that somewhere along the line they were both illegitimate
it is so confusing :-(
on the first marriage cert of Louisa she is Pearce marked as junior father William Pearce a glazier, her second marriage to Edward Plumb in 1899 she is 36 names her father as Henry Churchill carpenter I believe these two Louisa to be the same if the contact I have through this site is correct.
On Florence Anne Hurwood marriage cert she states that her father was John Hurwood French polisher

Jacqueline
The marriage of John Hurwood was in 1874 he is listed as a full age Lousia as junior marriage was at St Pancras church from census I think John was much older than her
Priclkyholly
I think maybe you found her as all the names are there if Louisa was to name after her mother and sister
I do know that after John died Arthur does keep the name Churchill but not so Florence

I can't see that Louisa was the Pearce woman who married in 1874. Louisa's maiden name was CHURCHILL, and she was TEN years old in 1874

She didn't, as far as can be determined, marry Hurwood,

Florence obviously accepted John as her father