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brummiejan

brummiejan Report 28 Oct 2014 18:58

Hello campers, ready for a nervous breakdown?!!

I am trying to help someone out with their tree - It's a bit complicated, and there will be more to follow (sorry), but for now it could be massively helpful if we could track this child down. Her name does look rather like Avongila - have tried Angelina, Angelica, Evangelina etc etc but no joy. I can't find a birth, death or any other census entry for her.

Please be aware that, looking at the image, it's uncertain whether she and brother James are children of both Emma Harris and James Steel, or just Emma.

I can't even pinpoint the birthplace!!

Many thanks.

Jan

1871 England Census
Name: Avongila Harris
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James Steel
Gender: Female
Where born: Stanton Mill, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Dudley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Edmund
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Dudley
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Household schedule number: 120
Piece: 3014
Folio: 107
Page Number: 26

James Steel 58
Emma Harris 25
Avongila Harris 2
James Harris 10 Months Where born: Stanton Mill, Worcestershire, England





brummiejan

brummiejan Report 28 Oct 2014 19:06

Just to add, this is James Steel 1881 - no sign of Emma or the other children,

1881 England Census
Name: James Steele
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relationship to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Weston, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Ormesby
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: 32 Worsley St
Marital Status: Married

Occupation: Ironworks Lab
Registration district: Middlesbrough
Sub registration district: Ormesby
ED, institution, or vessel: 13

Piece: 4861
Folio: 55
Page Number: 49
Household Members:
Name Age
James Steele 48
Samuel Steele 9
Sarah J. Steele 6
Elizabeth A. Steele 4

Kay????

Kay???? Report 28 Oct 2014 19:29

Jan,,,,,,,Familyseach shows---- Worcester.
1868,baptism.

Adelaide Harris,? Adelaide more likely to fit.

parents

Emma and Elijah Harris,

Mary

Mary Report 28 Oct 2014 20:02

The above Adelaide is with Elijah and Emma J on 1871 census so not her I'm afraid.

Maryb.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 28 Oct 2014 20:23

Possibly james died soon after the 1871 census


England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
Print transcription View image Attach to tree
First name(s) JAMES
Last name HARRIS
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1871
Age 0
Death quarter 2
Death year 1871
District DUDLEY
County Staffordshire
Volume 6C
Page 26


Dudley was Staffordshire to 1913when it then came under Worcestershire

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 28 Oct 2014 22:13

Thanks so much for replies Kay, Mary and Shirley. Very tricky isn't she!
Having said that, inspired by Shirley's find, I have just checked all Harris deaths in Dudley 1871-1881 and have seen a Eugenia aged 9 1878.
Just going to check that one out!
Jan x

Sylvia

Sylvia Report 28 Oct 2014 23:36

This one is Eugene Harris at Birth
BMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Eugene Harris
Name: Eugene Harris
Registration Year: 1869
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Dudley
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6c
Page: 18

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 28 Oct 2014 23:37

Thank you Sylvia.
My feeling is this might be the same person, given that the name is so unusual, but doesn't help much does it!
Jan x

Sylvia

Sylvia Report 28 Oct 2014 23:38

Is this the death you were looking at Jan

FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Eugenia Harris
Name: Eugenia Harris
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Registration Year: 1878
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 9
Registration district: Dudley
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6c
Page: 12

Sylvia

Sylvia Report 28 Oct 2014 23:40

No it is a difficult one Jan x :-S

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 28 Oct 2014 23:48

I know Sylvia!
Yes, that's the death I meant.
The object of all this is actually Emma Harris. It's a shame 'Avongila' seems to be a non-starter, as with a name like that she should have been more helpful!
I shall get back to you when the person I am helping confirms some info, would really appreciate some more help as soon as that happens.
Thanks for your interest.
Jan x

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 29 Oct 2014 07:21

West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1870
HARRIS James Dudley (DUD) Dudley Register Office DUD/119/470


West Midlands Death indexes for the years: 1871
HARRIS James Tipton Sandwell Register Office TIP/44/273

(if above relating, or anything else on below link)

http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk/index.php

Chris :)

(too old for 1871)

West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1867
HARRIS Andeline Dudley (DUD) Dudley Register Office DUD/109/233

Mary

Mary Report 29 Oct 2014 10:30

I can't see Eugenia in 1871 so could she be Avongila??

Maryb.