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Sarah Ann Broomfield

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drummo

drummo Report 16 Nov 2014 11:48

Can anyone give me an age at death of Sarah Ann Broomfield who died in Sunderland in 1854

Andrew

Andrew Report 16 Nov 2014 11:53

The only certain way is to buy the cert.

This is the only Sarah Broomfield on the 1851 census in Sunderland. No way of telling if its the same person.


1851 England Census
about Sarah A Brompeld




Name:
Sarah A Brompeld
[Sarah Ann Broomfield]
Age:4 Mo
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1851
Relation:Daughter
Father's Name:Welson Brompeld
Mother's name:Jane Brompeld
Gender:Female
Where born:
Bishop Th, Durham, England
[Bishopwearmouth, Durham, England]
Civil Parish:Bishop Wearmouth
Ecclesiastical parish:St Thomas
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
Town:Sunderland
County/Island:Durham
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image
Registration district:Sunderland
Sub-registration district:West Sunderland
ED, institution, or vessel:1
Neighbors:
View others on page
Household schedule number:8
Piece:2397
Folio:304
Page Number:2
Household Members:
Name
Age
Welson Brompeld 29
Jane Brompeld 31
James W Brompeld 5
Welson Brompeld 3
Sarah A Brompeld 4 Mo


Andy

drummo

drummo Report 16 Nov 2014 12:06

The Sarah Ann you have brought up is the one I know about but she went on to marry, I was just wondering about this death

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Nov 2014 12:09

The age will be on the cert . For that time it isn't shown as part of the GRO ref I,m afraid

:-)

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 16 Nov 2014 12:13

Name: Sarah Ann Broomfield
Event Type: Death
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year: 1854
Registration District: Sunderland
County: Durham
Event Place: Sunderland, Durham, England
Volume: 10A
Page: 278
Line Number: 17

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 16 Nov 2014 12:13

Name: Sarah Ann Broomfield
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1850
Registration District: Sunderland
County: Durham
Event Place: Sunderland, Durham, England
Volume: 24
Page: 378
Line Number: 9

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 16 Nov 2014 12:14

Name: Sarah Broomfield
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1841
Gender: Female
Age: 11
Birthplace: Durham
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Sunderland
Sub-District: Sunderland, West
Parish: Sunderland
County: Durham

Andrew

Andrew Report 16 Nov 2014 12:32

maybe this one??


1851 England Census
about Sarah Bromfield

Name:Sarah Bromfield
Age:20
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1831
Relation:Servant
Gender:Female
Where born:Bishop Wearmouth, Durham, England
Civil Parish:Bishopwearmouth
Ecclesiastical parish:
St Thomas
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:

View related Ecclesiastical Parish
Town:Sunderland
County/Island:Durham
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image
Registration district:Sunderland
Sub-registration district:South Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel:1a
Neighbors:
View others on page
Household schedule number:119
Piece:2396
Folio:18
Page Number:29
Household Members:
Name
Age
Sarah Miller 46
Margaret A Miller 20
Sarah Jane Miller 18
>>>Sarah Bromfield 20 Servant

Andy


drummo

drummo Report 16 Nov 2014 12:48

Thank's everyone I have been searching the local cemetery index's but no joy.Maybe the Sarah born 1831c was also a Sarah Ann and could be the Sarah Ann that passed away in 1854
thank you

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 16 Nov 2014 14:58

Evidently her marriage?

Marriages Mar 1870 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Broomfield Sarah Ann Sunderland 10a 610
DRUMMOND Joseph William Sunderland 10a 610

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 16 Nov 2014 15:01

So she was born 1850, Sunderland.


1871 England Census about Sarah Drummond
Name: Sarah Drummond
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph Drummond
Gender: Female
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Sunderland
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: West Sunderland
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 205
Piece: 5016
Folio: 21
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Drummond 23
Sarah Drummond 21
Mary Drummond 7 Months

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 16 Nov 2014 15:09

There's a tree on Ancestry that has the 1831 Sarah and she definitely didn't die in 1854. She married Robert Hedley Brown and was still having children in 1873.

Tenerife Sun

Tenerife Sun Report 16 Nov 2014 15:14

Margee's Sarah Ann above was a widow by 1891. The 1881 and 1891 were both for the same address and Joseph was an Iron Moulder. In 1901 she was a grocer 'on her own account' Eleanor, James and Walter were still living at home. Here is 1891

Name: Sarah Drummond
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Bishop Wearmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Hilda
Town: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Sunderland
Sub registration district: North Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 6b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4127
Folio: 70
Page Number: 44
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Drummond 40
Mary J Drummond 21
William Drummond 17
Joseph Drummond 13
Eleanor A Drummond 11
James Drummond 10
Walter Drummond 5

Tenerife Sun

Tenerife Sun Report 16 Nov 2014 15:17

Probably her death

Name: Sarah Ann Drummond
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Registration Year: 1907
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 56
Registration district: Sunderland
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 324

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 16 Nov 2014 15:39

TS, I was just trying to show that the Sarah born 1831 was not the one who died in 1854.

drummo

drummo Report 16 Nov 2014 20:09

I have just returned home and was amazed to find all these extra posts since visiting my mam
Yes the Sarah Ann Broomfield who married Joseph Drummond (who died in 1884) was my g/g/grandparents. I was trying to find if the Sarah Ann who died in 1854 was any relation to my Sarah but as suggested I would need a death cert for any further info and according to margee above she is not the one born 1831.
Thanks again all, sorry for late acknowledgements.

mgnv

mgnv Report 17 Nov 2014 19:22

Here's the death in question, from the GRO index
Deaths Sep 1854 (>99%)
Broomfield Sarah Ann Sunderland 10a 278

I checked the local online index at:
http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1399

Here's that hit, plus some other example hits

Surname Forename Year Index Number
BROOMFIELD Sarah 1854 M12/469
--------------
AIREY Elizabeth 1854 NB15/304
ANDERSON Eleanor 1858 HE9/74
ANDERSON Eleanor 1858 SB14/253
ANDERSON Elizabeth 1854 ES11/229
ANDERSON Elizabeth 1854 HO7/58
ANDERSON Elizabeth 1858 ES14/208
ANDERSON Elizabeth 1857 ES13/219
ANDERSON Elizabeth 1860 HE9/491
ANDERSON Ellen 1860 ES15/286
ANDERSON Ellen 1858 HE9/128

It's clear to me that the leading letters in the local index ref refer to subdistricts in Sunderland RD and Houghton-le-Spring RD.

Here's those subdistricts used for the census in 1861:
SUNDERLAND RD RG9
North Bishop Wearmouth 3765-3770
South Bishop Wearmouth 3771-3776
East Sunderland 3777-3778
West Sunderland 3779-3780
Monk Wearmouth 3781-3784

HOUGHTON LE SPRING RD RG9
Houghton Le Spring 3752-3754
Hetton le Hole 3755-3757


So, Sarah Broomfield died in the Monk Wearmouth subdistrict, if that helps any.

drummo

drummo Report 18 Nov 2014 19:42

Thanks for that mgnv, as all my Broomfields are from the Bishopwearmouth side of Sunderland its possibly a different famly

mgnv

mgnv Report 20 Nov 2014 00:23

All of Durham is covered by online local indexes, although their coverage is incomplete.
None of them have info that's not in the GRO index, beyond the local ref (except S Tyneside gives the exact date of marrs).
However, all these marr refs have an entry # as the last item of the ref, so one can tell who wed whom just by clicking on a link - it's the + sign for Sunderland.
[NB Sometimes one finds a page # as the last item - this is more common on B/Ds - I haven't checked what offices use what item, but B/D regos have 100 pages & 500 entries]
Just like one has to guess the subdistrict code on B/Ds, one has to guess the church code on Ms (except S Tyneside gives a decoder for its Ms:
http://www.southtyneside.info/article/10778/Marriage-indexes )
[NB For Durham RD, one has to check the postal application form to see the local ref.]

Re guessing the church code, one usually finds synagogues usually have a J or S in the code; Quakers (or Friends) usually have a Q or F in the code; C of E often have a C in the code, and the registrar usually has an R in his code.

Here's some Durham examples:
Births Dec 1845 (>99%)
Benson William Durham 24 84

Using http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd as a gateway to online local indexes:
Birth certificate for:
Name: BENSON, William
Year: 1845
Register No. - Entry No. - District
SN 12 entry 138
So I guess this subdistrict is St Nicholas in Durham RD - his censuses all show his pob=Coxhoe (or they would if they were transcribed accurately)


Marriage certificate for:
Name: ANDERSON, Elizabeth
Year: 1875
Other index entries for this marriage:
ROSE, Samuel
Register No. - Entry No. - District
DCCE22/3 entry 470

Now I happen to know DCCE22 is St Helen, Kelloe - it's where Wm Benson was baptized and his baptismal entry shows his mum's maiden surname - I found this in the Durham BTs at:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1309819

However, the FS hits I'm going to give were all found at:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1473015

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NXP6-CVC
GS Film number: 1514663
Sometimes, it's necessary to do a catalog search at FS for the film # - here it shows:
Parish registers for Kelloe, 1693-1905
Author: Church of England. Parish Church of Kelloe


Marriage certificate for:
Name: REILLY, Catharine
Year: 1875
Other index entries for this marriage: HARRISON, Thomas
Register No. - Entry No. - District
DNRLAN8 entry 39

My guess is this is the Lanchester registrar's own register, but this doesn't necesssarily mean it was a rego office marr.

Pre-1899, only C of E (C of W in Wales), jews and quakers (and the registrar) were authorized to keep official marr rego's.
If a non-conformist marr took place, then the registrar would have to attend so the marr could be completed by the couple signing his official register.
Post-1898, non-conformists (except RCs until the 1980s) could be authorized to keep official marr rego's, although the proces might take a couple of years.
The lack of an official marr rego doesn't stop the church from keeping its own private rego, which would be later deposited in some archive, and might have the same info as an official entry (course, it could have less, or more, info)

Here's an RC exanple:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NNKB-QSJ
Church records, 1809-1988
Author: Catholic Church. St. Mary's, Bridge Street (Sunderland, Durham)

and the matching local hit:
Surname Forename Year Index Number
ANDERSON Mary 1871 M34/52 Click to view spouse details
Spouse : WILLEY John 1871
[from which I infer M is the code for the Sunderland registrar's own rego]


Here's some more Sunderland hits:
ANDERSON Ada 1875 C019BK13/346 Click to view spouse details
Spouse : LANGHAM William 1875
ANDERSON George 1877 C027BK1/123 Click to view spouse details
Spouse : CAWARD Ann 1877
ANDERSON William 1876 C021BK5/421 Click to view spouse details
Spouse : SMITH Sarah 1876
LEVY Julia 1872 M2JEWS/41 Click to view spouse details
Spouse : ROSENTHAL Samuel 1872


ada https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NXGL-W6P
1514550
Parish registers for Bishop Wearmouth, 1567-1901
Author: Church of England. St. Michael's Church (Bishop-Wearmouth, Durham)

geo https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NXPN-CSW

sarah https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NXPH-4MW