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Hi,
Thomas married on 29th March 1887 in Newport Mon. aged 21, Masons Labr with father JAMES JEFFERSON deceased.....Farmer.

Death reg. is O/D 1925 Newport aged 59.
Cen '91 in Newport as lodger dob for him & wife aren't accutate.....1860 for Thomas in Teignmouth Devon.....poss Tynemouth
Cen'01 in Newport b. 1868 Newcastle Durham
Cen'11 in Newport b. 1867 Sunburgh Yorkshire.....poss. Guisborough

I posted an earlier message. I took your advice to purchase the marr. cert. I'm still hopelessly stuck.
Looked at the deaths for James 1865 to 1887 and the Census '61 '71 '81 to see if anyone was suitable.
Pretty sure mathematically Thomas was born in 1866...checked out all the births on Free BMD. for this year.
What do I do next....is this my "brick wall" ?
Thanks for all prev. help
Elizabeth

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Name: Thomas Jefferson
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 1867
Event Place: Devon
Source Reference: 358/15/b
Digital Folder Number: 004634288

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Name: Thomas Henry Jefferson
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year: 1865
Registration District: Chester Le Street
County: Durham
Event Place: Chester Le Street, Durham, England
Volume: 10A
Page: 425
Line Number: 112

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Name: Thomas H Jefferson
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 6
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birthplace: Pelton, Durham
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Chester Lee Street
Sub-District: Chester Le Street
Parish: Pelton
County: Durham
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Thomas Jefferson Self M 32
Isabella Jefferson Wife F 33
James Jefferson Son M 9
Thomas H Jefferson Son M 6
Robert Jefferson Son M 3
Elizabeth Jefferson Daughter F 1
Robert Crisp Boarder M 33

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Name: Thomas Jefferson
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 20 Aug 1866
Christening Place: Shildon, Durham, England
Birth Date: 11 Aug 1866
Father's Name: Robert Jefferson
Mother's Name: Isabella Jefferson
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00598-6 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1514624 , Reference ID: item 2 p 111

Monmouthshire Baptisms Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) THOMAS HENRY
Last name JEFFERSON
Baptism year 1888
Baptism day 24
Baptism month Mar
Place REDWICK
Mother's first name(s) Jane
Father's first name(s) James (occ. Farmer)
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Page 74
Record set Monmouthshire Baptisms

(aged 21) (abode Redwick)


(same year Feb 5th Margaret Annie Elizabeth Born 1st Jan 1888. Parents Thomas Henry and Agnes, occ. Masons Labourer)

Chris :)

(adding again!)

Jacqueline,,,,WHY! do you have to be so aggressive to people,you have no right.!

Elizabeth is a new poster and with your attitude is going to think twice about asking for help again,!

Hi everyone,

Brilliant response....Quite poss. the James & Jane in Redwick could be a sibling of my Thomas Henry.
Will check it out and the birth in Devon....I'm very grateful.

I'm very grateful, I just couldn't see where to go next.

Elizabeth


:-)

The image for 1891 has Thomas as a horse groom... are you certain that this is the same one? I am just wondering because i would have thought a mason's labourer might have continued as such?

1891 Wales Census about Thomas Jefferson
Name: Thomas Jefferson
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Tunymoth, Devon, England
Civil Parish: St Woollos
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Newport
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Newport
Sub registration district: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4373
Folio: 48
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
William Edwards 30
Julia Edwards 23
Beatrice Edwards 1
Thomas Jefferson 31
Agnes Jefferson 28
Annie Jefferson 4

It's a tough one, the same one in 1911 badly transcribed but as you say Guisborough Yorks ,

1911 Wales Census about Thos H Jefferson
Name: Thos H Jefferson
Age in 1911: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Cambridgeshire, England
Civil Parish: Newport
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: 133 Cow St Newport Mon
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 24
Estimated Marriage Year: 1887
Registration district: Newport
Registration District Number: 587
Sub-registration district: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Household schedule number: 70
Piece: 31979
Household Members:
Name Age
Thos H Jefferson 44
Alice Bushby Jefferson 7
Phyllis Bushby Jefferson 5
Horace Bushby Jetton 2
Dorothy Bushby Jetton 1/12
Agnes Jefferson 42
Annie Jefferson 23
Sidney Joseph Jefferson 19
Alfred James Jefferson 17
Reginald Jefferson 15
Ivor Leo Jefferson 13
Amelia Green Jefferson 11
Beatrice Agnes Jefferson

Hi,

Sorry Chris.....definately not paying attention. This Baptism is my THOMAS HENRY.

Need a clear head tomorrow.....lots of James & Jane Jefferson in Durham in 1881.


I thought the Cen 1891 was my Thomas. His daughter was Margaret Annie reg J/M 1888 Npt M. and wife Agnes was from Magor near St Brides Netherwent.
With the confusion I've caused I'm doubting every thing now.......
Some serious checking of everything required.

From Find My Past, some quick references below, occupation seems to vary!.

No idea where Bushby comes from!.


JEFFERSON ALICE BUSHBY 1905 — 1905 Births & baptisms Newport (Monmouthshire), Monmouthshire

JEFFERSON HORACE BUSHBY 1909 — 1909 Births & baptisms Newport (Monmouthshire), Monmouthshire
(Thomas Henry & Agnes. Occ. Green Grocer)


JEFFERSON DOROTHY BUSHBY 1911 — 1911 Births & baptisms Newport, St Paul, Monmouthshire, Wales
(Thomas Henry & Agnes. Occ. Haulage Contractor)


JEFFERSON IVOR LEONEL BUSHBY 1899 — 1918 Marriage "newport, St Paul", Monmouthshire, Wales (Alice Elizabeth Dyer)
(Father, Thomas Henry Jefferson. Occ. Rigger)


JEFFERSON MARGARET ANNIE BUSHBY 1888 — 1912 Marriages Fleur de Lis, Monmouthshire, Wales (Edmund Thomas Rodaway)
(Father, Thomas Henry Bushby Jefferson. Occ. Fruiterer)


Death
RODAWAY MARGARET A E 1888 1914 1914 England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Newport (Monmouthshire), Monmouthshire, Wales

Chris :)


Marriages Dec 1899 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------------------------
Bowes Grace Hartlepool 10a 264
Jefferson Thomas Henry Hartlepool 10a 264
Lee Amelia Jane Hartlepool 10a 264
Pugh Walter Hartlepool 10a 264


Marriages Mar 1901 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------
JEFFERSON Thomas Henry Middlesbro' 9d 820
JOHNSON Mary Ellen Middlesbro' 9d 820
Moore William Henry Middlesbro 9d 820
RIGBY Hannah Mary Middlesbro' 9d 820


Marriages Jun 1904 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------------
Ballard Emma Billesden 7a 75
Gray Alfred William W Billesdon 7a 75
Jefferson Thomas Henry Billesdon 7a 75
Pratt Gertrude Ann Billesdon 7a 75


(apart from your 1887 Marriage, these are others, from below link)

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl


Did you keep info. from your other 'Thread', for reference?...

I think this is probably the death of James, Thomas's father, but I can't seem to find him on 1871.

Chepstow is right by Magor, Caerwent and Newport:

Deaths Sep 1871
Jefferson James 27 Chepstow 11a 2

Dea x

(below is probably the Devon reference posted earlier!)

JEFFERSON THOMAS 1858 — 1867 Plymouth Baptism Register Plymouth: St Andrew's, Devon, England
(Parents James & Ann)

(other posted above)

JEFFERSON THOMAS HENRY 1865 — 1865 Northumberland and Durham Baptisms Durham, England
(Parents Thomas & Isabella. Parish Pelton)

(from Find My Past)

Chris :)

Could be Dea, just checking FMP in case of Burial, but no!.

Chris :)


http://www.gwentarchives.gov.uk/media/18139/D409-Guest-Keen-and-Nettlefold-Ltd-Cwmbran.html

D409/20 Agreement (copy) between Messrs. Guest Keen and Nettlefolds Ltd. and T.H. Jefferson of Newport for letting of 133 Dock Street, Newport. Yearly. £24 p.a. Jul 1903

(from google search)

Elizabeth,

One thing we have forgotten to ask...................

Going back to that marriage cert - what are the other details on there please - the bride's details and father and occupation, any addresses? More importantly - who were the witnesses?

Thanks,

Dea x

Hi,

Bride was AGNES THOMAS aged 18 Spinster from St Brides Chepstow father JOHN THOMAS a farm Labourer.
Witnesses MARTHA ANN JONES and ELIZABETH THOMAS.

I have followed the Thomas' father John married 3 times. first to SUSANNA DAVIS J/M 1846 Newport ...4 children She died A/J 1857 as Susanna Davis Thomas. Second marriage to Sarah Ann Evans A/J 1867 she died O/D 1870 aged 23 this was AGNES' mother. Agnes was bt 30.10.1870 St Brides Netherwent.
Third marriage to Margaret ? can't actually fine the marriage Cen '71 in Five Lanes Netherwent has Mgt and JHON Thomas 4 children for this liason.

John Thomas born 1823-26 Undy Mon died 10th March 1905 aged 82 in Chepstow Wk Hse.

Quite happy with that side it's the Jeffersons I've got a problem.

i don't think we have a close connection with the Devon family but not 100%

Yes Chris, I have notes from orig. thread.

I must concentrate on James and Jane ....and see what I can find.

So very grateful for all your help.
Elizabeth

Hi,
Still searching for the elusive Jeffersons....

Looked at Genuki and found Guisborough is a mile from Ayres Quay ( Bishopswearmouth )

Found a birth for Thomas Jefferson J/S 1864...a bit early with the dates on Census' and death age but not too far away.

On 1861 JAS Jefferson is in Guisborough aged 16 an App. Clay Miner born in Egton.

More research ....

Bye Elizabeth

Hello Everyone,
Firstly ....thank you.
Yes, my Thomas Henry was not a skilled man...Jack of all Trades comes to mind.
I looked through all the 1871 & 1881 cens. for a suitable Thomas...dropped the Henry, but after careful elimination there was no one.

Tried other surnames like Jefferies/jefferys/Jeffers as well.

There were no other Jeffersons in Wales in '71, '81, '91 seems T.H.came alone.
Someone suggested Thomas Henry could be Illeg. but James Jefferson is shown on his bapt. & marr.

If James died prior to Cen'71 and Jane remarr. then it may be poss.that he took step dads name and reverted to Jeferson for his own marr.

Maybe I should concentrate on Thos. Hry. born 1866 accord. to death & marr and 1867 by bapt. find the most suitable Birth reg and apply to the GRO using Thomas, James and Jane Jefferson and hope I get lucky. Forgetting James & Jane for the moment as I have no substantial data for either.

I believe if all criteria isn't met the GRO refund...bit risky I suppose.

Don't know what else to do. Other option is GIVE UP. I've had folk missing in one census but never two.
I'm grateful to you all,
Elizabeth

Census detailsFirst name(s) Thos Henry
Last name Jefferson
Relationship Head
Marital status Married
Gender Male
Age 33
Birth year 1868
Occupation -
Birth town Newcastle
Birth town as transcribed NEWCASTLE
Birth county Durham >>>>
Birth county as transcribed DURHAM >>>>>
Birth place England
Birth place other as transcribed -
Other household member first name(s) THOS, AGNES, MARGARET, SIDNEY, ALFRED, REGINALD, IVOR, AMELIA
Other household member last name JEFFERSON
Street Caroline Street
Town -
Parish Newport
City -
Country Wales
County Monmouthshire
Municipal ward Central
Registration district Newport
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 4959
Folio 158
Page 8
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Record collection Census
Collections from Great Britain

This is your man I think.1901 census,