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1851 Census in Herefordshire please

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Frances

Frances Report 29 Nov 2014 12:15

1841 Census
Name:George Lucas
Age:10
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1831
Gender:Male
Where born:Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish:Leominster
Hundred:Wolphy

Thomas Lucas 37 Ag Lab.
Elizabeth Lucas 42
George Lucas 10
Elizabeth Lucas 7
Jane Lucas 4

I would like to find how much of this family is together in 1851 please?

Many thanks,
Frances

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 29 Nov 2014 12:19

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Whyle, Pudleston, Leominster, Herefordshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry Dennis Head Widower Male 54 1797 Wheelwrights Employing 2 Men Herefordshire, England Transcription
James Dennis Son Unmarried Male 24 1827 Wheelwright Stoke, Herefordshire, England Transcription
George Dennis Nephew Unmarried Male 24 1827 Ag Lab Herefordshire, England Transcription
George Dennis Nephew Unmarried Male 18 1833 Apprentice Leominster, Herefordshire, England Transcription
George Lucas Lodger Unmarried Male 19 1832 Journeyman Wheelwright Kinson, Radnorshire, Wales

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Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 29 Nov 2014 12:21

Having problems with the others in 1851

Do you have this?

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
New Street, Leominster Borough, Leominster, Herefordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Lewis Head Married Male 62 1829 Malster Leominster, Herefordshire, England Transcription
Elizabeth Lewis Wife Married Female 57 1834 Laundress Leominster, Herefordshire, England Transcription
Elizabeth Lucas Mother In Law Widow Female 93 1798 - Aymestrey, Herefordshire, England Transcription

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Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 29 Nov 2014 12:23

Have you done anything about looking for BMD info?


This MAY be relevant


LUCAS JANE — 1848 1848 Deaths & burials Leominster, Herefordshire, England

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brummiejan

brummiejan Report 29 Nov 2014 12:24

Very dubious!

1851 England Census
Name: Thomas Lucas
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Lucas
Gender: Male
Where born: Amyestry, Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish: Puddlestone
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Leominster
Sub-registration district: Leominster

Thomas Lucas 42
Elizabeth Lucas 32
Maria Davies 26

Researching:
Myatt, Hanks, Eccleston, Powell, Clungunford, Birmingham

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 29 Nov 2014 12:25

Doesn't help you with 1871, but assuming this is Jane:

1871 England Census
Name: Jane Howard
[Jane Lucas]
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles Howard
Father's Name: Thomas Lucas
Mother's name: Elizabeth Lucas
Gender: Female
Where born: Leominster, Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish: Ludford
Town: Ludford
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Registration district: Ludlow
Sub-registration district: Ludlow

Charles Howard 60
Jane Howard 40
Charles Howard 9
Thomas Lucas 60
Elizabeth Lucas 70

Researching:
Myatt, Hanks, Eccleston, Powell, Clungunford, Birmingham

Potty

Potty Report 29 Nov 2014 12:25

Elizabeth's marriage - so she should be somewhere on the 1851:

Marriages Sep 1852 (>99%)
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LEWIS Joseph Leominster 6a 799 Scan available - click to view
LUCAS Elizabeth Leominster 6a 799

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 29 Nov 2014 12:25

No idea whether this is the other daughter, but it's the only possibility I can find

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Middle Marsh, Leominster, Herefordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Pearse Head Married Male 28 1823 Woolstapler (Journeyman) London, England Transcription
Rhoda Pearse Wife Married Female 22 1829 Milliner Bromyard, Herefordshire, England Transcription
George R Pearse Son - Male 0 1851 - Leominster, Herefordshire, England Transcription
Eliza Waters Sister-In-Law Unmarried Female 27 1824 Milliner Bromyard, Herefordshire, England Transcription
Betsy Lucas Servant Unmarried Female 16 1835 House Servant Strefford, Herefordshire, England Transcription

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brummiejan

brummiejan Report 29 Nov 2014 12:26

I think the 1951 for Thomas might be right, but struggling with the others:


1861 England Census about Thomas Lewis
Name: Thomas Lewis
[Thomas Lucas]
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: 1811
Relation: Father-in-law
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Lewis
Gender: Male
Where born: Aymestrey, Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish: Ludford
Ecclesiastical parish: Hereford
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Ludlow
Sub-registration district: Ludlow
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 1836
Folio: 85
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Howard 40
Jane Howard 25
Thomas Lewis 50
Elizabeth Lewis 61
Elizabeth Lewis 27
Elizabeth Lewis 8

Researching:
Myatt, Hanks, Eccleston, Powell, Clungunford, Birmingham

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 29 Nov 2014 12:28

Jane was born in 1837............not 1831

First name(s) Jane
Last name Lucas
Birth year 1837
Birth date 26 Mar 1837
Baptism year 1837
Baptism date 16 Apr 1837
Place Cwm
Denomination Primitive Methodist
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
County Herefordshire
Country England
Archive reference TNA/RG/4/2548
Description HEREFORDSHIRE: Cwm, Hereford Circuit (Prim. Methodist): Births & Baptisms

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Potty

Potty Report 29 Nov 2014 12:28


1861 England Census
Elizabeth Lewis - image is probably Lucas
[Elizabeth Lucas]

Age:61
Estimated Birth Year:1800
Relation:Mother-in-law
Spouse's Name:Thomas Lewis
Gender:Female
Where born:Aymestrey, Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish:Ludford
Ecclesiastical parish:Hereford
County/Island:Herefordshire
Registration district:Ludlow
Sub-registration district:Ludlow
Charles Howard 40
Jane Howard 25
Thomas Lewis 50
Elizabeth Lewis 61
Elizabeth Lewis 27 - sister-in-law
Elizabeth Lewis - neice

Potty

Potty Report 29 Nov 2014 12:31

Jane's marriage:

Marriages Jun 1856 (>99%)
HOWARD Charles Ludlow 6a 950 Scan available - click to view
LUCAS Jane Ludlow 6a 950

Frances

Frances Report 29 Nov 2014 12:33

Sorry to be so tardy but my Internet keeps dropping out......
Thanks for all the info
My real interest was in finding the birthplace of the father, Thomas, but he must have died and left me well up the creek and now floundering ......

I will return to pondering mode!

Potty

Potty Report 29 Nov 2014 12:37

Thomas was still alive in 1861 - on the census I posted as Lewis but it is Lucas on image. He is father-in-law to the head, Charles Howard:


1861 England Census
Thomas Lewis
[Thomas Lucas]
Age:50
Estimated Birth Year:1811
Relation:Father-in-law
Spouse's Name:Elizabeth Lewis - Lucas on image
Gender:Male
Where born:Aymestrey, Herefordshire, England

Elizabeth Lewis b1834 is the daughter Elizabeth:


1861 England Census
about Elizabeth Lewis




Name:
Elizabeth Lewis- Lewis on image
[Elizabeth Lucas]

Age:27
Estimated Birth Year:1834
Relation:Sister-in-law
Father's Name:Thomas Lewis - Lucas on Image
Mother's name:Elizabeth Lewis - Lucas on image
The other Elizabeth aged 8 is her daughter.

Potty

Potty Report 29 Nov 2014 12:49

Possible baptism

Name:William Thomas Austin Lucas
Gender:Male
Birth Date:22 Jul 1804
Birth Place:Hitchin Hertfordshire
Baptism Date:26 Jul 1806
Baptism Place:Peterstow, Hereford, England
Father: Richard Lucas
Mother: Elizabeth
FHL Film Number:1040018

Reference ID:
item

Potty

Potty Report 29 Nov 2014 12:51

Or this one:


England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
about Thomas Lucas
Thomas Lucas
Gender:Male
Birth Date:26 Jul 1803
Baptism Date:14 Aug 1803
Baptism Place:Bishops-Frome, Hereford, England
Mother: Jane Lucas
FHL Film Number:992635
Reference ID:item 5 p

Potty

Potty Report 29 Nov 2014 12:56

A public tree on Ancestry has his parents as William Lucas and Jane Chandler; birth - 16th Sept 1806 and baptism 5th Oct 1806, both in Aymestrey but no sources given.

Edit - that baptism is on familysearch.