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Can't find any more info on family from 1891 census. Mose, (1857 Germany) Rose, (1870 Australia), Caroline,(1882 London), Miriam (1882 London),and Emily(1886 Australia). Any help would be appreciated

Surely Rose can't be the mother of the children? She's only 20.


1891 England Census about Mose Davis
Name: Mose Davis
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Rose Davis
Gender: Male
Where born: Germany
Civil Parish: St George in the East
Ecclesiastical parish: Rectory
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: St George In The East
Sub registration district: St George North
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 286
Folio: 130
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
Mose Davis 31
Rose Davis 20
Caroline Davis 9
Miriam Davis 9
Emily Davis 5

Edit: I believe Miriam is 7 on the original.

I was wondering if this is the birth/baptism for Caroline. As you say Margee, Rose cant be the mother!



London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906


Name:Caroline Davis

Record Type:Baptism

Baptism Date:22 Jan 1882

Father's Name:
John Davis

Mother's name:
Mary Davis

Parish or Poor Law Union:St George in the East

Borough:Tower Hamlets

Register Type:Parish Registers

I don't think so, Gins, Mose is a master tailor on the 91 census but Caroline's father is a plasterer on that birth record.

Yep, just checked out the family for Caroline on the censuses!


Helen

Do you have any more info on the family please?

NSW (Australia) records have this marriage

4255/1890 <<<
DAVIS MOSES
TAYLOR ROSE A
KEMPSEY (district)

Did they go back to Australia and then return to England?


UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Rose Davis - Moses is on the same list; shown as Merchant:

Port of Departure:Sydney, Australia
Arrival Date:16 Apr 1911 - blast! the 1911 took place on the 2nd April.
Port of Arrival:London, England
Ports of Voyage:Cape Town
Ship Name:Medic
Search Ship Database:Search for the Medic in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line:White Star Dominion Line
Official Number:110573

Looks like they went on to Argentina - country of last residence given as Scotland;


UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Moses Davis
Gender:Male
Age:54
Birth Date:abt 1859
Departure Date:28 Aug 1913
Port of Departure:London, England
Destination Port:Buenos Aires, Argentina
Ship Name:Highland Piper
Search Ship Database:Search for the Highland Piper in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line:Nelson Steam Navigation Co Ltd
Official Number:132559
Master:C H Bell

Possibly Moses on his own - shown as 40 yr old foreigner, labourer and going to Australia:


UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Moses Davis

Gender:Male
Age:40
Birth Date:abt 1857
Departure Date:30 Sep 1897
Port of Departure:London, England
Destination Port:Wellington, New Zealand
Ship Name:Delphic
Search Ship Database:Search for the Delphic in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Master:W Fowden

Rose Ann Taylor , B1870 Kempsey NSW Australia married Moses Davis c1857 in Kempsey in 1890. On the marriage certificate they are both listed as being tailors for their occupation. They seem to have disappeared after getting married. On marriage certificate it says Moses was a divorced man and Rose a spinster.
I can't find Emily being born in Australia unless her surname was different at the time. Maybe they are children from his previous marriage.
His previous marriage may have been to Clara Drillsman(Drielsma) who married a Moses Davis in 1880 in St. George in the East London and they were divorced in Australia in 1889.At this time he was bankrupt and then ??went on to marry Rose. I just can't connect the dots,
I also found a Rose Ann Davis, widow, died in West Kempsey 29/10/1954 which could be her, being 84 years old. Thanking everyone for their help !!!

I think this might be worth buying, maybe Clara had been married previously



Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922


Name:Emily Moses

Father's Name:
Davis Moses

Mother's name:
Clara Adams

Birth Place:Melbourne, Victoria

Registration Year:1884

Registration Place:Victoria

Registration Number:26265

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Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922

Name:Sarah Davis

Birth Date:24 Dec 1885

Father's Name:
Moses Davis

Mother's name:
Clara Adams

Birth Place:Queensland

Registration Year:1886

Registration Place:Queensland

Page Number:3608

Registration Number:B035640

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And this could be 'Clara'



Netherlands Births and Christenings, 1608-1882

Name:
Klara [Drielsma]
[Klara Drielsma]

Gender:vrouwelijk (Female)

Birth Date:20 mei 1857 (20 May 1857)

Christening Place:Leeuwarden, Friesland, Nederland

Father:Adam Jonas Drielsma

Mother:Carolina Aron Van Gelder

Citation:
Burgerlijke Stand (Leeuwarden, Friesland, Nederland), Trouwen 1856 - 1858, Microfilm nr. 257184


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1871 England Census

Name:
Rlara Duelsman
[Klara Drielsma]

Age:12

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1859

Relation:Daughter

Mother's name:Carebrue Gilders

Gender:Female

Where born:Holland

Civil Parish:Whitechapel

Ecclesiastical parish:St Mark

County/Island:London

Country:England

Registration district:Whitechapel

Sub-registration district:Goodmans Fields

ED, institution, or vessel:12

Household schedule number:56
Piece:523
Folio:101
Page Number:11

Household Members:


Name

Age


Carebrue Gilders 52
Marrian Duelsman 25
C Duelsman 23
Jonas Duelsman 22
H Duelsman 20
Dinah Duelsman 18
Ely Duelsman 16
Ester Duelsman 14
Rlara Duelsman 12

This may be a re-marriage for Clara



Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950

Name:Clara Davis

Spouse Name:David Pelmothe

Marriage Date:1911

Marriage Place:New South Wales

Registration Place:Sydney, New South Wales

Registration Year:1911

Registration Number:4314

New South Wales, Australia, Registers of Coroners' Inquests, 1821-1937

He died falling off a ladder



Name:David Pelmothe

Birth Year:abt 1850

Birth Place:Poland

Death Year:Abt 1934

Death Place:Canterbury

Inquest Date:12 Oct 1934

Inquest Place:Campsie

Age:84

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Australia Death Index, 1787-1985

Name:David Pelmothe

Death Date:1934

Death Place:New South Wales

Father's Name:Israel

Mother's name:Fanny

Registration Year:1934

Registration Place:Canterbury, New South Wales

Registration Number:12546


http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q=+David+Pelmothe

Thanks for your help,
I think he swapped his name around from time to time. David Moses, Moses Davis and Davis Moses.
Gets a bit confusing but I will keep hunting.

Adeath for Clara



New South Wales, Australia, Index to Deceased Estate Files, 1923-1958


Name:Clara Pelmothe

Death Date:2 Jul 1947

Residence Place:Canterbury

Occupation:W

Civil Place:
New South Wales, Australia

A death for Sarah Davis. Born 24/12/1885 in Queensland
died 1886 Sydney NSW Moses Davis and Clara Adams