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Hi pepes
Hit a brick wall with my paternal grandfather using ancestry co uk site
I have his WW1 pension records in those he states born in:
Aghavea, Enniskillen, Fermanagh - January 1881

BUT his census return from 1911 (Old Mill Cottages, St Fagans, Glamorgan) (which has his last name mis-transcribed as McLorley!) shows him born in:
Dumbarton 1884

Now the census is definitely him as, he was living next door to his wife to be (in June that year!) Elizabeth Roberts
And the service record is him as it has their home address and details of Elizabeth & their children

I've checked as much as I can think of (although I haven't as yet done any 'pay to view' Scottish or Irish sites yet as I've spent loads getting the birth, marriage & death certs that I've used to trace the family so far, from the GRO!!! :-S

If any one wants to contact me I can supply pictures of the above items to see if they can work out anything I'm missing.....

Blwddy Family Tree hobies, now who was it who said it was fun AND relaxing! gggrrrrrr ;-)

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Name: James Robert M'Sorly
Event Type: Birth
Event Date: Jan - Mar 1883
Event Place: Lisnaskea, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year: Jan - Mar 1883
Registration District: Lisnaskea
Volume Number: 3
Page Number: 191
GS Film number: 101059 , Digital Folder Number: 004193460 , Image Number: 00076

Looks good Maddie.

From Wiki " Lisnaskea is the second-biggest settlement in County Fermanagh, Northern Ireland"

for our info:


1911 Wales Census about James Robert Mc Lorley
Name: James Robert Mc Lorley
[James Robert McSorley]
Age in 1911: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Dumbarton, Scotland
Civil Parish: Llanilltern and St Fagan
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: Old Mill St Fagans
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Railway Platelayer
Registration district: Cardiff
Registration District Number: 588
Sub-registration district: Llandaff
ED, institution, or vessel: 07
Household schedule number: 99
Piece: 32051
Household Members:
Name Age
George Henry Langdon 33
Beatrice Maud Langdon 31
William John Langdon 9
James Robert Mc Lorley 27


The form was filled in, or at least signed by, his landlord George Langdon,so not necessarily accurate.

These are the only Scottish births 1880-90 for that name (or variant spelling) - Maddie's Irish find looks more likely:

1889 MCCURLEY JAMES M DUMBARTON /DUNBARTON 496/00 0045
1886 MCGOURLEY JAMES M MARYHILL GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 622/01 0971

1885 MCKARLEY JAMES GIBSON M BRIDGETON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/01 1545

1882 MCSORLEY JAMES M HUTCHESONTOWN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/11 0917

1882 MCSORLEY JAMES M ANDERSTON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/10 1231

1886 MCSORLEY JAMES M BLYTHSWOOD GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/07 0560

1881 MCSORLEY JAMES MCSKIMMIN M TRADESTON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/13 0024

Do you have his father's name and occupation from his marriage cert?

Also for our info - I know you have this, Neil:


British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 about James McSorley
Name: James McSorley
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1881
Birth Place: Agnavegh, Fermanagh Ireland
Age at Enlistment: 33
Marriage Date: 5 Jun 1911
Marriage Place: Hanillerne Glam
[llanillterne Glamorgan]
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 278102
Regiment Name: Garrison ??
Number of Images: 25
Form Title: Short Service Attestation
Other Records: Search for 'James McSorley' in other WWI collections
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
James McSorley Self (Head)
Elizabeth Roberts Spouse
William Joan McSorley Child
Gordon M McSorley Child
Mary Eileen Rose McSorley Child

If you want to check the birth that Maddie posted, try this site - it isn't free but not too expensive:

http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/archive-for-family-and-local-history

Click on Research family history at GRONI then click on Go to GRONI online.

You have to register and buy credits; up to 200; credits cost 40p and 5 paid for a view of an original death entry. You cannot print or download the image. The certs can be ordered on line for £8.

Not quite as good or cheap as scotlandspeople but a step in the right direction.

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Britain, Trade Union membership registers Transcription
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First name(s) James
Last name Mcsorley
Birth year 1883
Admission year 1913
Age at admission 30
Occupation/grade Platelayer
Trade Railway workers
Union branch Cadoxton
Union name National Union of Railwaymen
Union branch Cadoxton
County Glamorganshire
Country Wales
Archive Modern Records Centre
Folio or page 245
Title General Register
Dates Aug-Sep 1913
Information contained Members 493001-508000
No of volumes 1
Record set Britain, Trade Union membership registers
Category Education & work
Record collection Guild & Trade Associations
Collections from Great Britain

Transcription © DC Thomson Family History

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I have tried to look at the birth reg on GRONI but nothing is coming up.

From this on his Service record that he had served in the Army before:
"8 years Colour Service Garrison; 4 years reserve."

Perhaps we can find his previous Army record.

Neil has posted James's marriage cert on Ancestry.

His father was William McSorley, sailmaker.

Thanks ArylllGran:

He was awarded the Silver War Badge - date agrees with discharge on Service Record:
First name(s) James
Last name Mcsorley
Service number278102
RankGunner
Badge numberB35344
Enlistment date06-Oct-1914
Discharge date24-Oct-1918
Unit from which discharged
Royal Garrison Artillery 3/4 S.A.R. Bde.
Cause of discharge Para 392 (xvi) King's Regulation. Para 2 (a) (1)
Whether served overseasYes
Badge date of issue 15-Nov-1918
Age on discharge 37
Record set Silver War Badge Roll 1914-1920

Paging through the Service Record, he appears to have originally enlisted on 14th June 1901.

Thanks all
I've seen mention of the 'Lisnaskea' birth Thanks Maddie :)
Will do as Potty suggests (another mince pie taken out of this years budget!)
And yes his previous service is a bit of a mystery
Where did you get the 'employment history bit from Maddie? He is listed as a 'plate layer' Great find :) I definitely hadn't seen anything on that before
Pity I waited until any family who might have known anything specific had gone but, fairly typical I think :(
Oh my sister thinks his dad was from Dunfirmline (only the other side of Scotland!) but she was told that 50 years ago so isn't that sure it is right now I've told her what I have found out....
:-D :-D :-D
Many thanks to all and virtual drinks n mince pies too also

ScotlandsPeople doesn't show any births of a William McSorley (or variant) in Fife 1830-70

employment history came from find my past
maddie

Thanks both.....
Just had a look on FMP site and found this:
Anglo-Boer War records 1899-1902 Transcription

First name(s) J
Last name McSorley
Service number(s) -
Rank Sergeant
Regiment South African Light Horse
Literary references Honours and Awards of the South African War 31
Units -
Casualty details -
Casualty notes -
Casualty source -
Gazzetteer -
Country Great Britain
Record set Anglo-Boer War records 1899-1902
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Record collection Boer Wars
Collections from Great Britain

Not much to go on at all in that record mind.....

Putting this up as it might be connected:

First name(s) THOMAS
Last name MCSORLEY
Birth year 1885
Birth parish AUGHAVEA
Birth town BROOKBOROUGH
Birth county FERMANAGH
Birth country IRELAND
Service number 1832
Regiment Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers - 27th & 108th Foot
Document Type Attestation
Attestation year 1903
Attestation Day 10
Attestation Month 11
Attestation age years 18
Attestation Corps Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers
Attestation service number 1832
Discharge Corps Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers
Series militia service records 1806-1915
Box 512
Box Record Number 89

Next of Kin:
Father: William McSorely, Brookborough <<<<<<<
Mother: Mary McSorely
Brother: William McSorely
Brother: Jas McSorely, Royal Artillery <<<<<<<

I am wondering about this one:


1891 Scotland Census
James McSorley
Age:13
Estimatd Birth Year:abt 1878
Relationship:Step Child
Mother's name:Margaret Burns
Where born:Ireland
Registration Number:575
Registration district:Renfrew
Civil Parish:Renfrew
Town:Renfrew
County:Renfrewshire
Address:6 Newton St
Occupation:Scholar

James Burns 35 b Ireland
Margaret Burns 34 b Ireland
John Burns 1 b Renfrew
Theresa McSorley 6 b Renfrew
James McSorley 13 b Ireland
Patrick Millmore 56 lodger. b Ireland

On the marriage cert William is shown as deceased and there is a death for a William McSorley in Renfrewshire in 1889 but I can't find a marriage for James & Margaret. There is a birth on scotlandspeople for Theresa perhaps her birth reg could help.

Potty
a tree on ancestry has Thersa's parents as Joseph and Margaret Ann McEwan married 1874 Belfast. Joseph died 1887 in Renfrew of bronchitus. Marriage to James Burns 1888 Renfrew.
May or maynot be correct

Maddie

Thanks Gritty I've had nothing on (possible) siblings - up to now that is!
I'll put that into my notes

Potty; Interesting on possible adoption (didn't they change names as they do today then???)

I went onto the GRONI site & splashed out a bit more mince pie budget and found this:

Birth enhanced view:
Registration details:
Registration number U/1883/151/1019/7/100
Registration district Lisnaskea(pre-1973 Q4)
Registration sub-district Brookeborough

Child details
Surname of child McSorley
Forename(s) of child James Robert
Date of birth 20th January 1883
Sex of child Male
District of birth Lisnaskea (pre-1973 Q4)

Mother details
Forename and surname of mother Mary McSorley
Mother's maiden surname Foster

Father details
Forename and surname of father William McSorley

So much more info to help Once again thanks folks I'm in awe.....