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Hi All,

could some kind person please look at the 2 above census for Mary Ann Bywater born 1864 Hucknall Nottingham living in Birkenhead Cheshire, husband Enoch Bywater born 1866 Beeston Nottingham known children were
Rosine Mary 1893
Lilian Mary 1894
Enoch 1897
Clarence John 1899-1907
Winifred Dallas 1902-1908.

Would like to know if more children and anything else can find on this family please.

Sorry to be a pain :-D

Thank you for any help given on this
Wendy

1911 England Census about Mary Ann Bywater
Name: Mary Ann Bywater
Age in 1911: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Birkenhead
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address: 10 St Pauls Road Rock Ferry
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: Caretaker
Registration district: Birkenhead
Registration District Number: 452
Sub-registration district: Tranmere
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Piece: 22028
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Ann Bywater 46
Enoch Bywater 13

Original says she had been married 19 years, had 5 children, 2 had died.

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
10 St Pauls Road Birkenhead, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Mary Ann Bywater Head Widow Female 46 1865 Nottingham Shire Caretaker Transcription
Enoch Bywater Son - Male 13 1898 Draycott Derbyshire Telegraph Messenger

TWO children have died

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
53, Livingstone Road, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
May A Bywater Wife Married Female 35 1866 - Nottinghamshire, England Transcription
Rosene M Bywater Daughter - Female 8 1893 - Beeston, Nottinghamshire, England Transcription
Lilian E Bywater Daughter - Female 7 1894 - Beeston, Nottinghamshire, England Transcription
Enoch Bywater Son - Male 3 1898 - Derbyshire, England Transcription
Clarence J Bywater Son - Male 1 1900 - Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Rosine married in 1914. Find info (plus Enoch's death) using freebmd

Lilian's second name was ELSIE

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Hooton Lawn Hooton, Hooton Childer Thornton, Cheshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Reginald Torrans Cunningham Head Married Male 38 1873 Nr Liverpool Lancashire Cotton Broker Transcription
Frances Clunie Cunningham Wife Married Female 23 1888 Thorn Hough Cheshire - Transcription
Infant Un Christened Cunningham Son - Male 0 1911 Willaston Chaminshire House Cheshire - Transcription
Mary Rose Professional Nurse Widow Female 44 1867 Wistonsupermere Somerset Professional Nurse Transcription
Lillian Elsie Baywater Servant Single Female 17 1894 Baston Nottingham Housemaid Domestic Transcription
Ethel Sarah Wilde Servant Single Female 22 1889 Bury Lancashire Cook Domestic Transcription
Rosine Mary Baywater Servant Single Female 18 1893 Burton Nottingham Housemaid Domestic Transcription
Bet Nealy Servant Single Female 28 1883 Cumberland Waitressn Dome

Marriages Sep 1892 (>99%)
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BURTON Mary Ann Basford 7b 179
BYWATER Enoch Basford 7b 179

Lilian Elsie's birth certificate is posted on a tree on Ancestry. She was born 10 Feb. 1894, 12 Willoughby St., Beeston, father Enoch, mother Mary Ann formerly Burton. Birth registered 13 March, 1894 by mother.

Hi All,

Thank you sooooooooooo much, that all ties in with what I have. I have the marriage of Mary Ann Burton and Enoch Bywater and the Freebmd details of marriage of Rosine Bywater in 1914 she married Arthur Herbert Checkett he died in 1917/18 as she then married Richard Bowen in 1919 she died in 1967 in Crewe.

Enoch Bywater son of Enoch and Mary Ann died in 1950 in Wallasey.

I cannot find a death for the Enoch born 1866 and wonder were he was in 1901.

Wendy

Just found on familysearch details of marriage of Rosine Bywater and Arthur H Checkett married on 12 Dec 1914 at St Paul's Church, Tranmare father Enoch Bywater.

Thank you Margee for the birth details :-D :-D :-D

Wendy

First name(s) ENOCH
Last name BYWATER
Birth year 1866
Birth parish BEESTON
Birth town NOTTINGHAM
Birth county NOTTINGHAMSHIRE
Birth country ENGLAND
Service number 16543
Rank -
Regiment Royal Army Medical Corps
Document Type Attestation
Attestation year 1901
Attestation Day 23
Attestation Month 11
Attestation age years 35
Attestation age months 3

Allotted one third of pay to wife and children

Previously served with the Derbyshire Regiment

Was discharged from RAMC in July 1902

Trees on Ancestry say that both Enoch and Mary Ann died in Australia.

First name(s) E
Last name Bywater
Service number(s) 16543, 862
Rank Private
Regiment Royal Army Medical Corps, Derbyshire Regiment (The Sherwood Foresters)
Rolls Roll: 352
Units Unit: Royal Army Medical Corps, Rank: Private, Number: 16543
Unit: Derbyshire Regiment (The Sherwood Foresters), Rank: Private, Number: 862
Casualty details -
Casualty notes -
Casualty source -
Gazzetteer -
Country Great Britain
Record set Anglo-Boer War records 1899-1902
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Record collection Boer Wars
Collections from Great Britain

So he was probably in SA in 1901

hi Jacqueline,

Thank you for that, I'm not sure what it means but will find out.

Margee,

Does the tree given any more details on the deaths or proof? please.

Oh I have to go now as someone has just turned up for a visit be will be back later after lunch.

Thank you so much for you help you are stars :-D :-D.

Wendy

Not sure what 'what' means?

The records I posted show that he was in the ARMY until July 1902

I can't find any prrof of deaths in Australia nor can I find any immigration record.

A tree says that Enoch died 21 Sep. 1940, Queensland, aged 74 and Mary Ann died 27 Nov. 1921, Brisbane, aged 57 but no documentation.

hi Sorry abt that had to go off for a while.

Jacqueline we crossed post and you answered my question before mine post so now understand.

Margee,

I'm not sure that tree is right as on the 1911 census Mary Ann says she was a widow making that Enoch died sometime between July 1902 and 1911, but I'll see if I can find anything for the Australia deaths. It not the first time someone has a death in another country but have it wrong. I had found one once on the find the grave site with all the English line attached to the wrong woman that someone had put in.

Again Thank you both for all your help.

all the best

Wendy

Queensland death for someone with the correct name
father mother
1940 C3303 Enock Bywater John Emma Jarrett

hi Clare,

Thank you

Right could be, Enoch was born 1866 son of Edward Bywater and Emma Jowett so the Enoch you found could be right, I have just been gooling Enoch Bywater and found an Embarkation Roll of the 1st world war for Australia saying Enoch Bywater enrolling on 3 Feb 1915 aged is 44yrs out abt 5yrs born Beeston England says he was single and next of kin was John Bywater of Beeston so looks like he left his family and Mary Ann lied on the census.

Here's what I found:
Enoch BYWATER
enlisted on
3 February 1915
in the
4th Light Horse Field Ambulance,
Australian Imperial Force,
with the rank of
CPL Cook, Number 2599,
and was listed as
Returned to Australia
on
27 July 1917

Wendy

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First name(s) MARY A
Last name BYWATER
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1866
Age 63
Death quarter 1
Death year 1929
District HEMSWORTH
County Yorkshire
Volume 9C
Page 321

OR......

First name(s) MARY A
Last name BYWATER
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1864
Age 79
Death quarter 1
Death year 1943
District HUDDERSFIELD
County Yorkshire
Volume 9A
Page 380