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Thank you so much. This has really given me something to go on now - especially the marriage. You are all clearly much more thorough than I ! Thanks again.

(looking at 1901, could be Albert T below)

Baptism
County Norfolk
Place Norwich
Church St Michael Coslany
RegisterNumber 202
DateOfBirth 05 Sep 1870
BaptismDate 25 Sep 1870
Forename Albert Thomas
Sex M
FatherForename Edward
MotherForename Maria
FatherSurname SMITH
MotherSurname
Abode St Michael Coslany
FatherOccupation Carman


1881 (Find My Past)
Edward Smith Head Married Male 42 1839 Carman Norwich, Norfolk, England
Maria Smith Wife Married Female 41 1840 - Pentney, Norfolk, England
Fredc Smith Son Single Male 15 1866 Baker Norwich, Norfolk, England
Emma Smith Daughter Single Female 12 1869 - Norwich, Norfolk, England
Albert Smith Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Norwich, Norfolk, England
Wallace Smith Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Norwich, Norfolk, England
Rosa Smith Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Norwich, Norfolk, England
Harriett Smith Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Scholar Norwich, Norfolk, England
George Smith Son Single Male 2 1879 - Norwich, Norfolk, England
Street West End Street
Parish Norwich Heigham
County Norfolk
Registration district Norwich
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 1953
Folio 66
Page 57


(Baptism from below link)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)

(if her below)


Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%)
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Hawes Arthur Norwich 4b 243
Smith Harriett Matilda Norwich 4b 243


Deaths Mar 1929 (>99%)
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Hawes Harriett M 52 Norwich 4b 236

1911 (Find My Past)
Arthur Hawes Head Married Male 34 1877 Norfolk Norwich Shoe Finisher
Harriett Hawes Wife Married Female 34 1877 Norfolk Norwich
Address 100 Alexandra Road Norwich
Parish Norwich
County Norfolk
Registration district Norwich
Subdistrict West Wymer
Census reference RG14PN11301 RG78PN614 RD225 SD2 ED12 SN139

Wow, that is amazing! Thank you so much! That has really given me something to go on now. Since your last reply, I browsed the Infirmary that indeed was attached to the Workhouse (and in fact still forms part of the offices for what is now the Norwich Community Hospital) and apparently our local Records Office has details of the hospital admissions, so I will take a trip there this week. Many thanks to you all for your help.

Could be a red herring of course but this Harriett has the middle name of Matilda and 1877 is very likely the birth year if she was 18 in January 1896
England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription

First name(s) HARRIETT MATILDA
Last name SMITH
Birth year 1877
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District NORWICH
County Norfolk
Country England
Volume 4B
Page 163

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and in 1901 is possibly iving in the Heigham area of Norwich which is the same as the address for Ada

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
35, Down Street, Heigham, Norwich, Norfolk, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Maria Smith Head Widow Female 60 1841 Living On Own Means Pentney, Norfolk, England
Albert T Smith Son Single Male 30 1871 Confectioner Norwich, Norfolk, England
Rosa E Smith Daughter Single Female 26 1875 Box Maker Norwich, Norfolk, England
Harriet M Smith Daughter Single Female 24 1877 Boot Fitter Norwich, Norfolk, England

Many thanks for your help Catherine and Greyghost. I have no idea where Harriet was born unfortunately. The only information I have is that she was 18 at the time of Ada's birth - and sorry, the year of Ada's birth was a typo - it is 19.01.1896. That puts Harriet's birth around 1878 but that is all I have. I'm a bit silly spending such a long time on somebody who wasn't actually a blood relative, but I've just got the bug!

My great grandmother gave birth to my grandfather in the Mint Street workhouse in Southwark. She lived just round the corner in Lant Street at the time but she was still entered into the admission and discharge register and the birth was also recorded in the workhouse birth register as well as the GRO register. She was in the workhouse for about 3 weeks - which was probably a normal confinement in those days (1870).

Kath. x

Workhouses usually had hospitals attached, which was often the only place the poor could get treatment. Maybe you should look in the Infirmary Admission and discharge registers if they are available. as opposed to the Workhouse itself.

My great grandfather's death certificate says he died at Nottingham Workhouse but his name appears in the Nottingham Parish Workhouse Infirmary Register of Deaths with cause of death being a facial cancer (in modern terms). Short of time at the Archives I have yet to find his admission - that's for my next trip "home"

Have you got the correct year of birth for Ada - is it 1896?

When and where was Harriet born?

Thank you Catherine. Yes I do have these, and they have always bugged me because of the variety of names. I often wondered (hopefully) that they were a kind family who took in orphaned/illegitimate children! Thank you.

You probably have Ada but just in case, these are some possible census records:-

NAME: Ada Smith
AGE: 5
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1896
RELATION TO HEAD: Boarder
GENDER: Female
BIRTH PLACE: Norwich, Norfolk, England
CIVIL PARISH: Norwich
ECCLESIASTICAL PARISH: Heigham Holy Trinity
TOWN: Heigham
COUNTY/ISLAND: Norfolk
COUNTRY: England
STREET ADDRESS:
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Norwich
SUB-REGISTRATION DISTRICT: West Wymer
ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 24
NEIGHBORS: View others on page
PIECE: 1845
FOLIO: 67
PAGE NUMBER: 37
HOUSEHOLD SCHEDULE NUMBER: 266
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
Francis Witherick 72
Hannah Thirkettle 72
Edith Buttifant 31
Frank Buttifant 15
Ada Smith 5


NAME: Ada Matilda Smith
AGE IN 1911: 15
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1896
RELATION TO HEAD: Niece
GENDER: Female
BIRTH PLACE: Norwich
CIVIL PARISH: Norwich
COUNTY/ISLAND: Norfolk
COUNTRY: England
STREET ADDRESS: 13 Wellington Lane, Norwich
MARITAL STATUS: Single
OCCUPATION: servant
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Norwich
REGISTRATION DISTRICT NUMBER: 225
SUB-REGISTRATION DISTRICT: West Wymer
ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 4
HOUSEHOLD SCHEDULE NUMBER: 42
PIECE: 11293
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
Frederick Kirby Reeve 46
Edith Reeve 40
Harry Bullifant 9
Hannah Thirkettle 82
Ada Matilda Smith 15

Ah, thank you.

Workhouses sometimes also ran a hospital which was used by all in the area. Harriet may have just gone there to give birth.

I lived near a hospital which had grown from a small cottage hospital attached to the local workhouse. The workhouse became the geriatric wards.

Hi, I am researching my great-aunt, Ada Matilda Smith. She was born in the Norwich Workhouse (19.01.1898) and I have a copy of her birth record. Her mother's name was Harriet Smith and Ada was illegitimate. However, I cannot find a record of Harriet's name on the Workhouse admissions/discharges register and haven't been able to trace anything about Harriet, despite putting in the widest options. Am I correct in assuming that everyone would have been registered as an admission? Thank you.