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Help with look up please.

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Las95

Las95 Report 19 Feb 2015 14:14

i've been to see the church parish records today, and have confirmed my grandfather's brothers and sister, but when i got home i realised it did mention one of the sister.

My parents say that my grandfather has a sister called Margaret and they knew who she married i have even seen the grave but i can't find her on the site i'm am using

would anyone be able to see if they could find her as i'm having no luck.

Her name is Margaret Branigan not sure of birth but i assume it's between 1906 and 1920.
Her father is James Branigan and her Mother is Elizabeth Gaughran, (somethimes known as Lizzie)
They lived in Tullyallen, county Louth, ireland.

Any help would be much appreciated.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Feb 2015 14:30

1911 - so Margaret was born after the census was taken

Residents of a house 12 in Tullyallen (St. Peter's (part of), Louth)
Show all information
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion
Branigan James 31 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic
Branigan Elizabeth 33 Female Wife Roman Catholic
Branigan John 4 Male Son Roman Catholic
Branigan Bridget 1 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Branigan Patrick Joseph Male Son Roman Catholic << 1 month on image

Las95

Las95 Report 19 Feb 2015 14:33

Thanks rootgatherer, that is the right family, but i can't find the birth for her,
and we didn't see it on the parish records, but my Dad knows her and who she married, but i just can't find her birth record.
Thanks

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Feb 2015 14:36

This would be Patrick Joseph's birth (just trying to get the possible registration district)

Patrick Joseph Branigan
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1911
Registration district: Drogheda
Volume: 2
Page: 397
FHL Film Number: 101074


Can you tell us who Margaret married please? Is it possible that Margaret was a middle name that she was known by please?

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Feb 2015 14:38

Maybe?

Record Image Index-only record
Add alternate information
Report issue
Name: Margaret Sheila Branigan
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1915
Registration district: Drogheda
Volume: 2
Page: 355
FHL Film Number: 101076

Las95

Las95 Report 19 Feb 2015 14:44

Here is the marriage, she married Michael Mcmahon.

She did have what i thought was her sister Bridget, this could be her and the middle name be Margaret, just not sure, It didn't have middle names on the parish records.

First name(s) Margaret
Last name Branigan
Registration year 1950
Registered Quarter/Year Jan - Mar 1950
Registration district Drogheda
Volume 2
Page 188
County -
MarriageFinderâ„¢ Margaret Branigan married one of these people
Michael McMahon, Joan Hall, Patrick O'Brien, William P McAvinue, Brendan Faulkner
Record set Irish Marriages 1845-1958
Category Life Events (Birth, Marriage, Death)
Record collection Marriages & divorces
Collections from Ireland

Las95

Las95 Report 19 Feb 2015 14:48

No it can't be the Bridget as she married someone else.
So i'm not sure.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Feb 2015 14:48

Have you found a marriage for Bridget please?

I wonder if Margaret's marriage certificate would give her age.

Las95

Las95 Report 19 Feb 2015 14:53

I've not found a marriage for Bridget, but from what i've been told she married Thomas Cooney.

Yes I might have to get the cert.

Las95

Las95 Report 19 Feb 2015 14:55

I don't think it's this one, as they already have a child Baptised on the 1 july 1915.

Record Image Index-only record
Add alternate information
Report issue
Name: Margaret Sheila Branigan
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1915
Registration district: Drogheda
Volume: 2
Page: 355
FHL Film Number: 101076

mgnv

mgnv Report 19 Feb 2015 15:15

rootgather - on your 1911 lookup, you posted a partial transcription of the Form A image - other images are available, viz:

View census images
Household Return (Form A)
Additional Pages: 2
Other original census images available
Enumerator's abstract (Form N)
Additional Pages: 2, 3, 4
House and Building Return (Form B1)
Additional Pages: 2
Out-Offices and Farm-Steadings Return (Form B2)
Additional Pages: 2

What's of interest is the additional page 2 of Form A - it shows the poor-law union as Drogheda. In Ireland, the registration Districts were based on the poor law unions - they were in England and Wales originally, but there's much more modification there between 1837 & 1911 than happened in Ireland 1864-1911.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Feb 2015 15:49

Thank you Mgnv. I never knew that and for all I have many census records for my Irish ancestors, I never looked beyond the actual image. I am off to do that now. You learn something new every day. I only found out recently the the house numbers on the Irish census are not street numbers and that they actually relate to the order the enumerator used for distribution.

mgnv

mgnv Report 20 Feb 2015 00:36

rootgather - To be more accurate, I know English/Welsh RDs were based on poor-law unions. I don't *know* this for Ireland, just guess it, but whenever I've used the Irish 1901/11 poor-law union as an RD for looking up (timewise) nearby BMD events for a family, it's worked. However, I shouldn't have stated it as fact, although I believe it is the fact.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 20 Feb 2015 09:21

Thanks for your help Mgnv. I had a look at those extra pages and have been able to confirm that my ancestors rented the properties that they lived in.

Potty

Potty Report 20 Feb 2015 12:22

What was the name of the child baptised in July 1915 and when was he/she born?

Las95

Las95 Report 20 Feb 2015 13:05

Hi Potty, the child name was James Branigan, I don't know when he was born and the vicar only gave is baptism dates, but he said they usually get baptised a day or two after being born.

There was another child called James Branigan baptised on the 3rd may 1908,
i know a child died from the census, so i take it, it was this child as no one knows about it and the census show one child not living.

Any help would be great, thank you.

Potty

Potty Report 20 Feb 2015 14:25

There is a marriage for Margaret Sheila Branigan, so I don't think she is your Margaret.

There are 2 further possible births:


Name:Margaret Branagan
Date of Registration:Oct-Nov-Dec 1912
Registration district:Drogheda
Volume:2
Page:370
FHL Film Number:101074


Name:Margaret Brannigan
Date of Registration:Jan-Feb-Mar 1925
Registration district:Drogheda
Volume:2
Page:227
FHL Film Number:101229

Las95

Las95 Report 20 Feb 2015 17:03

Thanks for this Potty, I would think that it would be the first one, as this would fit right
in between the other children.

The other one might be a bit late, but i will take both down and see it i can get the cert
for the first one and then if it's not that one then i will try the other one.
Thank you so much for all you help i really do appreciate it, thank you.

mgnv

mgnv Report 20 Feb 2015 21:52

In both Irelands, and in Scotland pre-1915, there is a cheaper option than buying a b.cert, (i.e., a certified copy of an entry in a register) and that is to buy an uncertified image of the entry in the register - I think for Ireland it saves you 4 euros.

Las95

Las95 Report 20 Feb 2015 22:03

Thanks mgnv, Yep i have bought what ireland calls a family research cert, it cost €4,
I usually go to my local office so i don't have to wait for them.
But if it's before 1903 then i have to wait for it through the post.

Luckily it early enough to go to the local office.