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I am looking for any information regarding a child of PHILLIP DOWLING & ANNIE DOWLING who was born (and died) between the census returns of 1901 and 1911. The family lived in Aston, Birmingham, and at the 1911 census they had had 10 children, 2 of which had died (one of which was called Grace who died aged 4). But it is the other child who I have no details for the other child. There are 5 possible possibilities coming up in searches, but I simply cannot afford to order 5 certificates in order to find the correct one. Can anyone help me please? Does anyone have a birth and death certificate for their child who died? I will gladly pay for a copy of the correct ones. Thank you. :-)

Have you accounted for the seven that are on 1901 to eliminate them from the search

Are you sure her husband was Philip ?

This one lived in Aston had 10 children, 2 of which had died.


1911

Annie Dowling

Age in 1911:45
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1866

Relation to Head:Wife

Birth Place:Birmingham

Civil Parish:Aston
County/Island:Warwickshire

Street address:
25 Austin St Birmingham

Marital Status:
Married

Occupation:
Engine Cleaner

George Dowling 48
Annie Dowling 45
Lacey Dowling 21
Jesse Dowling 19
Laura Dowling 14
Clarence Dowling 11
Arthur Dowling 9
Percy Dowling 8

Ahh .... so he was Philip George


Name:
Annie Williams
Birth Year:abt 1866

Marriage Date:14 Feb 1887
Marriage Age:21

Marriage Place:
Birmingham, St Laurence, Warwickshire, England

Spouse:
Philip George Dowling

Spouse Marriage Age:24

Father:
John Williams

Spouse's Father:
William Henry Dowling

Only 2 baptisms showing for Birmingham

Jesse Edgar b 1892 and Leslie Horace 1894


There are not many births for Aston registration can you not eliminate them searching on the census for them

Why do you think they were born and died between 1901 and 1911 ?

You could always contact the relevant registry records office with the 5 names and dates and tell them you only want the one which names parents Philip George and Annie

Thank you for all your replies. The children on the 1901 census we have accounted for, although Grace died aged 4. However, in the 1911 census, there is a column for "children born alive" (10) and a column for "children died" (2), so there is one child still not known to us or accounted for, and it would make sense for the child to have been born (& died) between the two censuses.

Good advice Mike re contacting the reg office, stating I only want very specific entry. Thanks for that!

a child could have been born and died before the 1901 Census. Have you checked that out??

there is a 3 year gap between Leslie and Laura on the 1901 Census


Name Age
Philip G Dowling 38
Annie Dowling 34
George H Dowling 12
William J Dowling 11
Jesse E Dowling 9
Leslie H Dowling 7 b.ca 1894
Laura M Dowling 4 b.ca 1897
Grace H Dowling 3
Clarence Dowling 1


1911

Name Age
George Dowling 48
Annie Dowling 45
Lacey Dowling 21
Jesse Dowling 19
Laura Dowling 14
Clarence Dowling 11
Arthur Dowling 9
Percy Dowling 8

The children could have been born and died since they married in 1887 not since the last census

Could be this one

Deaths Mar 1893 (>99%)
Dowling Female 0 Aston 6d 175

Births Mar 1893 (>99%)
Dowling Female Aston 6d 238

I hadn't thought of checking prior to the 1901 census, there was no column for "children died" on the 1901 census and that is where I "assumed", so thank you. I'm six years out of practise with my genealogy!! Incidentally, I presume/assume that William and Lacey are one and the same, looking at the ages. People swapped namesaround and i need to research if Lacey was a middle name/nickname. Back to my research!!

Jayne


The 1911 census was the only census that asked for number of children born and number died, and for number of years married .......

...... and actually the questions re number of years married and number of children were asked of the wife


so it may not always be the number of children born to a marriage :-)

Jax, it could be. That one was not named but there was a girl called Emma Clementina Dowling who was born/died in 1889. The 1893 baby was not named for whatever reason, possibly stillborn? The 1911 census only asks for children born alive then died to be accounted for, so I am inclined to look into the 1889 child. They are the only 2 possibilities. Thanks for your help!

It's all so interesting and you're all so very helpful!! Thank you!

no, the child in 1893 would not have been still born


still born babies were not registered at that time

It must have taken at least one breath after birth to have been registered, and they may well not have got around to a name before it had to be registered.




You may also find that some babies were registered as dead but not registered as born


deaths had to be registered immediately, while births could be registered up to 6 weeks after the date of birth ................


and sometimes the birth registration just got forgotten.

have you been able to find any baptisms for any of the children??


that is your other option ................... see if you can find a baptism for a child that died.

Two baptisms on ancestry


Birmingham, England, Baptisms, 1813-1912

Name: Jesse Edgar Dowling
Birth Date: 4 Feb 1892
Baptism Date: 24 Feb 1892
Baptism Place: Duddeston, St Matthew, Warwickshire, England
Father: Philip George Dowling
Mother: Annie Dowling
Reference Number: EP 66/2/2/3
Archive Roll: Reel 6

Born Feb 4th 1892
Address:- 2 Brighton Place, Rupert Street
Father occupation:- Railway Fireman



Name: Leslie Horace Dowling
Birth Date: 6 Mar 1894
Baptism Date: 25 Mar 1894
Baptism Place: Duddeston, St Matthew, Warwickshire, England
Father: Philip George Dowling
Mother: Annie Dowling
Reference Number: EP 66/2/2/3
Archive Roll: Reel 6

Bron 6th March 1894
Address:- 78 Rupert Street
Father occupation:- Engine Driver

As George was registered Sept 1888 and William Sept 1889 there is no way another child Emma could have been born and registered inbetween (mar 1889)

(wondering about below, Dowling on image)


Births Mar 1906 (>99%)
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Dowling Ruby Aston 6d 311


Deaths Jun 1906 (>99%)
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Dowling Ruby 0 Aston 6d 193


Birmingham, England, Baptisms, 1813-1912 (Ancestry)

Name: Roby Downing
Birth Date: 2 Dec 1905
Baptism Date: 20 Dec 1905
Baptism Place: Nechells, St Clement, Warwickshire, England
Father: Phillip George Downing
[Phillip Geroge Downing]
Mother: Annie Downing
(Private Baptism. Abode, 70, Malvern Hill Road, Occ Labourer)

Chris :)