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Please can ask for some help with four children for William smith and sarah ann walsh, ordsall Salford...They had 17 children in all,these are the ones I found:

Ann1879-1943
Amanda 1898
Lydia 1891
Amy 1885, died age 7 months
William 1893
William ernest 1882
Henry 1876-1899
William 1877
Elizabeth F 1900
Edith 1887
Ethel 1887-1887
Selina 1889
Sarah ?

to start with, have you got the marriage details for the couple and their birth years please

I think this is the family in 1901?


Elizabeth F Smith

in the 1901 England Census
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Name: Elizabeth F Smith
Age: 9/12
Estimated birth year: abt 1900
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: William Smith
Mother: Sarah A Smith
Birth Place: Salford, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Salford
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Ecclesiastical parish: Ordsall in Salford St Clement
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Regent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3735
Folio: 97
Page Number: 4
Household schedule number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
William Smith 47
Sarah A Smith 44
Sarah A Smith 21
Edith Smith 14
Selma Smith 12
Elizabeth F Smith 9/12
John Hindley 57, boarder
Robert Walsh 28, boarder
Isabella Parrott 62, visitor

Selma is Selina on original.

a tree on ancestry has this

William
Birth
1856
abt
Hulme, Manchester, Lancashire
Census
1861
Age: 5
14 Clayburn Street, Hulme, Manchester, Lancashire
Occupation
1871
Age: 15
Errand Boy
Census
1871
Age: 15
13 Pleasant Grove, Hulme, Manchester, Lancashire
2 Sources
Marriage to Sarah Ann Walsh
1875
8 Nov
Age: 19
Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George, Lancashire
Occupation
1881
Age: 25
Painter
Census
1881
Age: 25
114 Granville Street, Salford, Lancashire
Occupation
1891
Age: 35
Painter
Census
1891
Age: 35
25 South Short Street, Ordsall, Salford, Lancashire
Occupation
1901
Age: 45
House Painter
Census
1901
Age: 45
241 Robert Hall Street, Salford, Lancashire
Census
1911
Age: 55
Not found on Census
Wife and daughter Elizabeth Smith (aged 10) staying with widower Jabez Smith Palmer the husband of sister in law Mary Jane Palmr (nee Walsh). Wife is shown as married but husband not with her on Census nor are any of there other children

Sarah Ann
Birth
1857
abt
Manchester, Lancashire
Census
1861
Age: 4
Not found on Census
Census
1871
Age: 14
Not found on Census
Marriage to William Smith
1875
8 Nov
Age: 18
Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George, Lancashire
Census
1881
Age: 24
114 Granville Street, Salford, Lancashire
Census
1891
Age: 34
25 South Short Street, Ordsall, Salford, Lancashire
Census
1901
Age: 44
241 Robert Hall Street, Salford, Lancashire
Occupation
1911
Age: 54
General Domestic Servant
Census
1911
Age: 54
32 New Park Road, Salford, Lancashire
Mother and daughter Elizabeth Smith (aged 10) staying with widower Jabez Smith Palmer the husband of her sister Mary Jane Palmer (nee Walsh). Shown as married but husband not with her on Census nor are any of her other children

children
Henry Smith
1877 –

Ann Smith
1880 –

Ernest Smith
1881 –

Edith Smith
1887 –

Selina Smith
1889 –

Elizabeth Florence Smith
1900 –

Same family 1891?

Edith Smith

in the 1891 England Census
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Name: Edith Smith
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: William Smith
Mother's name: Sarah D Smith
Gender: Female
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Salford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Salford
Sub registration district: Regent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3226
Folio: 44
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
William Smith 34
Sarah D Smith 32
Henry Smith 14
Ann Smith 9
Ernest Smith 8
Edith Smith 4
Leny Smith 2
John Lindley 50

Name: William Smith
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 8 Nov 1875
Marriage Place: Cathedral,Manchester,Lancashire,England
Spouse: Sarah Ann Walsh
FHL Film Number: 438234, 438235, 438236, 438237

Name: Selina Smith
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 3 Apr 1889
Baptism Place: Chapelry of St Clement, Ordsall-in-Salford, Lancashire, England
Father: William Smith
Mother: Sarah Ann
FHL Film Number: 1786422

yes Margee, right census
William and sarah were married in Salford ordsall 1875

on that 191 census the Leny is Lena (Selina)

yes maddie...The William 1856 is sarah ann`s hubby...

Ernest 1911 ??
Name: Ernest Smith
Age in 1911: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Salford, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Salford
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County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 15 North Street Hope Street Salford
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Brewers Carter
Registration district: Salford
Registration District Number: 465
Sub-registration district: Greengate
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Piece: 24017
Household Members:
Name Age
Ernest Smith 30
Elizabeth Ann Smith 25
Gladys Smith

married 6 years i child living, i died

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription
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First name(s) ERNEST
Last name SMITH
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1905
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ ERNEST SMITH married one of these people
MARY JACKSON, ELIZABETH ANN PALMER
District SALFORD
District number -
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8D
Page 127
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

Name: Ernest Smith
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 5 Jun 1881
Baptism Place: St. Bartholomew, Salford, Lancashire, England
Father: William Smith
Mother: Sarah Ann
FHL Film Number: 1786460
Reference ID: yr 1880-1881 p 191

ERNEST
Last name SMITH
Birth year 1881
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District SALFORD
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8D
Page 13
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain
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I see, on the1911 census, she'd had 17 children but 12 had died!!! Can you imagine losing 12 children?

five made it to adulthood and had children x

Further info requested by Cane:

"Ime not too sure if ive done a request for this before....my gt,gt grandparents had 17 children, they were all (as far as i know) baptised at st clements ordsall form 1875 - 1900...i just need to find four and i have them all %3A-%29 Their parents were william and sarah ann smith, william is a painter..."

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1356112

EDIT:
Cane has now deleted that new thread, which had no new info on it.

Thanks for nudging Argyllgran......Still need help on this one peeps x

I don't think this one's been mentioned before:

Walter Smith

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:14 May 1890
Parish of St. Clement, Ordsall-in-Salford, Lancashire, England
residence:Ordsall-in-Salford, Lancashire, England
father:William Henry Smith
mother:Sarah

Some different dates from those you quoted in your opening post:

Henry Smith

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:13 August 1892
Parish of St. Clement, Ordsall-in-Salford, Lancashire, England
residence:Ordsall-in-Salford, Lancashire, England
father:William Smith
mother:Sarah




Amy Smith

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:26 November 1884
Chapelry of St. Clement, Ordsall-in-Salford, Lancashire, England
residence:Ordsall-in-Salford, Lancashire, England
father:William Smith
mother:Sarah Ann



Ethel Smith

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:26 January 1887
Chapelry of St. Clement, Ordsall-in-Salford, Lancashire, England
residence:Ordsall-in-Salford, Lancashire, England
father:William Smith
mother:Sarah Ann

Sarah Smith

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:28 July 1886
Chapelry of St. Clement, Ordsall-in-Salford, Lancashire, England
residence:Ordsall-in-Salford, Lancashire, England
father:William Smith
mother:Sarah Ann

Possible death of Walter, as he's not with the family in 1891 :

Deaths Dec 1890 (>99%)
Smith Walter 0 Salford 8d 53