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Can anyone tell me where to look for a birth record for a British Subject born in Spain and suggest why the family may have been in Spain in the early 1800s.

Jane McFarlane was my great, great grandmother married to William Hunter, they lived mainly in Old Kilpatrick Dunbartonshire
She may be Jean McFarlane who married William Hunter on 12 Feb 1837 Barony, Lanark, Scotland IGI batch number M11968-5.
On the 1851 Scottish Census (501/00003/00018) her birth place is Spain age 36 and
On the 1861 Scottish Census (501/00003/0009) it is more specific -Spain, British Subject aged 49 making her date of birth somewhere in the region of 1811-1815

I have found a death entry in Renton Dumbarton. for Jane McFarlane on 16/12/1883 age 76, widow of William Hunter, parents John McFarlane and Janet Baird making theyear of birth 1807

Any help will be much appreciated.

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Name: Jane Mcfarlane
Gender: Female
Christening Date:
Christening Place:
Birth Date: 01 Apr 1802
Birthplace: GOVAN,LANARK,SCOTLAND
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Mcfarlane
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Janet Baird
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11646-4
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 1066592, 0990755
Reference ID:



Citing this Record:
"Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X1S2-C24 : accessed 26 September 2015), Jane Mcfarlane, 01 Apr 1802; citing GOVAN,LANARK,SCOTLAND, reference ; FHL microfilm 1,066,592, 990,755.

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John Mcfarlane in the Scotland, Select Marriages, 1561-1910
Gender:Male
Marriage Date:26 Dec 1781
Marriage Place:Govan,Lanark,Scotland
Spouse:Janet Baird
FHL Film Number:1066592, 0990755

The most you can hope for is a baptism record rather than a birth record as Civil Registration didn't start in Scotland until 1855.

In Spain Civil Registration didn't start until 1871. Have a look here:-

https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Spain_Civil_Registration_-_Vital_Records

Kath. x

Thanks for your suggestion.
I found this birth record too but it doesn't address the 'British subject born in Spain' and is several years outside the probable year of birth.
I have considered that this may be an older child of John and Janet McFarlane who died as an infant, but have too many options to confirm this as yet.

I'm hoping someone can give me information on where British subjects born abroad would be registered.

Thank you PricklyHolly and KathleenBell, I'll look at both your sufggestions.

Index--only records...

John Mcfarlane in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name:John Mcfarlane
Gender:Male
Spouse:Janet Baird
Child: Margaret Mcfarlane


John Mcfarlane in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name:John Mcfarlane
Gender:Male
Spouse:Janet Baird
Child: Mary Mcfarlane


John Mcfarlane in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name:John Mcfarlane
Gender:Male
Spouse:Janet Baird
Child: Janet Mcfarlane


John Mcfarlane in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name:John Mcfarlane
Gender:Male
Spouse:Janet Baird
Child: Jane Mcfarlane



John Mcfarlane in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name:John Mcfarlane
Gender:Male
Spouse:Janet Baird
Child:James Mcfarlane


John Mcfarlane in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name:John Mcfarlane
Gender:Male
Spouse:Janet Baird
Child: William Mcfarlane

KathleenBell

I've had a quick peep at the link you've given. Somewhere I saw a suggestion that it could be Cadiz but sadly I didn't note where I found that :(

I'll have a more detailed look when I have more time - and a Spanish dictionary/Spanish speaking friend!

Thanks

So here's someone who's forgotten Sean Bean in Sharpe's War on the TV!!

The British army under General Arthur Wellesly fought the Peninsular War 1807-1814 against the French.
For the 1st 3 y, the Brits were mostly on the defensive, and involved in clearing and securing Portugal. In 1811, they invaded Spain and pushed the French out. In the winter of 1813-14, they fought thru the Pyrenees into S France, and they fought the French in S France until Napoleon quit, and was exiled to Elba. After the war, in 1814 Wellesley was created Duke of Wellington. In 1815, Napoleon escaped, staged a comeback, but was defeated by an Anglo-Prussian coalition at Waterloo, and then was exiled to St Helena in the middle of the Atlantic.

Armies of that time had a fair number of civilian camp-followers, some employed by the army as civilian contractors, some were family, and the rest supplied the soldiers with goods and services.

Thanks mgnv

I confess I never watched Sharpe's War andI have gaps in my historical knowledge after the Georgians and before 1830!

Since George IV only died in 1830, I can't decide if the gap in your knowledge is less than you think, or a lot worse.

FMP shows John McFarlane of the 71st foot--there is good reading to be found about this regiment,,,,although no single records on him,,,Kew has extensive material in this area that it is not possible to make images of but many personal details can be found within the pages.

Thanks Kay???? I'll have a look when I get to Kew.
Unfortunately there seem to be a number of John McFarlanes.

Jane the child of Janet Baird was born too early to be my G'g'grandmother and as yet I haven't found a death/burial record for the child born 1802 to suggest John and Janet reused the name. There are several John and Janet Mcfarlanes with a daughter Jane on Family Search .

The Mc Farlanes got around . My grandad's cousin John mc farlane sponsored 2 of my siblings to help them when they arrived in US 1923

If any of your McFarlanes our linked to the ones mentioned on following thread I can dig out our copy of an old McFarlene Family tree beautifully copied in 1960 by another John

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1313595?page=2

You say Jean's age is given as 36 on the 1851 census.

On Ancestry's transcription it's given as 38, though I haven't looked at the image on SP for verification:

Jane Hunter

in the 1851 Scotland Census
Name: Jane Hunter
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1813
Relationship: Wife
Spouse: William Hunter
Gender: Female
Where born: Spain
Parish Number: 501
Civil Parish: Old Kilpatrick
Town: Old Kilpatrick
County: Dumbartonshire
Address: Main Street
ED: 3
Page: 18
Household schedule number: 74
LINE: 9
Roll: CSSCT1851_107
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hunter 35
Jane Hunter 38
William Hunter 10
Isabella Hunter 5
Elizabeth Hunter 1 1 Mo
Isabella Dowie 12: - servant

The son William's mother was Jane MacFarlane:

02/02/1841 HUNTER WILLIAM
WILLIAM HUNTER/JANE MC FARLAN FR974 (FR974)
M OLD OR WEST KILPATRICK /DUNBARTON 501/00 0040 0291



1841 census says she was born in Scotland but not in Dunbartonshire (otherwise looks like the same family):

Jean Hunter

in the 1841 Scotland Census
Name: Jean Hunter
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil Parish: Old Kilpatrick
County: Dunbartonshire
Address: Old Kilpatrick Village
Parish Number: 501
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hunter 25
Jean Hunter 25
Charlot Hunter 10
William Hunter 4 Mo


Don't know who Charlot is, born Scotland but not Dunbartonshire. can't be a daughter. Doesn't seem to be a sister of William - at least I can't see births with matching parents.

In 1871 William is with daughter Elizabeth, and his grandchildren by other daughter Isabella:

Marriage
1865 LYON WILLIAM A
HUNTER ISABELLA
OLD OR WEST KILPATRICK /DUNBARTON 501/00 0006



Wm Hunter

in the 1871 Scotland Census
Name: Wm Hunter
Age: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1814
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 501
Registration district: Old Kilpatrick
Civil Parish: Old Kilpatrick
County: Dumbartonshire
Address: Lumpstons Land
Occupation: Portioner
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 51
LINE: 16
Roll: CSSCT1871_88
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm Hunter 57
Elizabeth Hunter 21
Jane A Lyon 5
Wm A Lyon 3

While hunting for Jean/Jane in 1871, or for her death, I came across this - don't know if relevant, but will post in case:

Death
1869 HUNTER JANE MCFARLANE
Mms PATON F 3
OLD OR WEST KILPATRICK /DUNBARTON 501/00 0046


EDIT: May be a grand-daughter of William & Jane. Parents were William Hunter and Elizabeth Paton.


Can't see a death of Jane herself.
BUT having looked at the 1871 image, it says William's married - not widowed.

Here's Jane in 1891:

Jane Hunter

in the 1891 Scotland Census
Name: Jane Hunter
Age: 79
Estimated birth year: abt 1812
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: British Subject, Cadiz Spain
Registration Number: 501
Registration district: Old Kilpatrick
Civil Parish: Old Kilpatrick
County: Dumbartonshire
Address: Hunter's Land
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 50
LINE: 2
Roll: CSSCT1891_162
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Hunter 79
Elizabeth Hunter 37


Still can't see a likely death for Jane/Jean.


EDIT: Yes. here it is. The age doesn't relate to that in 1891 census, but I think it must be her:

1892 HUNTER JANE
Other surname: MCFARLANE F 85
OLD OR WEST KILPATRICK /DUNBARTON 501/00 0251

A few credits on SP will let you see her parents' names - I don't have enough left at the moment.

Hello Brigid
I've no idea whether my McFarlane links with yours unless you find any mention of Hunters on your family tree. I only know of Jane McFarlane who married William Hunter (my great great grandparents) about 1837 if I have the correct marriage record.
Unable to go back another generation as I cannot find a birth or baptism record for Jane I found a death record with her parents names John and Janet McFarlane but no maiden surname. A birth record for a Jane McFarlane with parents John McFarlane and Janet Baird is too early for 'my' Jane if her age on censuses 1861 and 1851 and on a death record is about right.

Hello ArgyllGran
Thank you for all your work in finding information about Jane.
My interest has been tracing the Hunters - my grandparents William and Agnes nee Dunning, my great grandparents William and Elizabeth nee Paton and great, great grand parents William and Jane nee McFarlane. I have copies of the censuses back to 1841 but am not at all sure about the 1841. Jane/Jean/Janet seem to be interchanged but I haven't found the name Charlotte in the family or record of her being a niece.
The Lyon children are the children of William's and Jane's daughter Isabella who married William Lyon; the Jane McFarlane Hunter who died in 1869 was the definitely the child of William and Elizabeth (Paton) and died of scarlet fever. Elizabeth lost 3 children within 3 weeks in 1869!
I hadn't found Jane on the 1891 census as my attention was with William and Elizabeth in London at that time. I found a death record in 1883 of a Jane Hunter which fitted but in Renton Dumbarton , though I like your find of a death in 1892 which seems much more likely and I shall certainly spend some of my SP credits on downloading the record.
Once again thank you for all your work, I'll post again to let you know if that is the one.