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Please could someone look up the 1851 and 1861 for Patrick Greenan d.o.b. c 1850.
Father should be Bernard.
Patrick was married in Anderston, Glasgow in 1870 to Margaret nee Russell so I am presuming he was living in Glasgow in 1851 and 1861,

thank you

jean

I have Patrick and Margaret's children but would be interested to find out if Patrick had any siblings.

1851 ... Address:33 Clyde Street



Patrick Greenan

Age:2
Estimated birth year:abt 1849

Relationship:Son

Father:
Bernard Greenan

Mother:
Mary Greenan

Where born:
Glasgow, Lanarkshire

Bernard Greenan 34 - Ireland - Occupation:Masons Labr
Mary Greenan 30 - Ireland
James Greenan 14 - Ireland
Owen Greenan 8 - Ireland
Bernard Greenan 4 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Patrick Greenan 2 - Glasgow
Sarah Greenan 60 - mother - Ireland
Bernard Creehan 30 - lodger - Ireland

1861


Name:
Bernard Greenan

Age:46
Estimated birth year:abt 1815

Spouse's name :Mary Greenan

Where born:Monaghan, Ireland

Registration district:Anderston

Civil Parish:Glasgow Barony
County:Lanarkshire

Address:16 Sharps Lane

Occupation:Labourer (masons


Bernard Greenan 46 - Monaghan, Ireland
Mary Greenan 44 - Monaghan, Ireland
Jas Greenan - son 23 - Monaghan, Ireland
Owen Greenan - son 18 - Monaghan, Lanark
Patrick Greenan - spn - 72 <<<< must be mistranscribed, probably aged 12 ) - Glasgow, Lanark
John Greenan - son- 10 - Glasgow, Lanark
Catherine Greenan - dau - 2 - Monaghan, Ireland

Thanks very much Mike,
this is the family I am looking for going by Patrick's fathers occupation shown on his marriage lines .

And again thank you , shows the same address , Sharps Lane, as on Patricks marriage lines in 1870.

If this is the marriage of Patrick's parents then brothers James and Owen may have a different mother or father.

Name:
Bernard Greenan

Marriage Date:
5 Jan 1845

Marriage Place:
Gorbals,Lanark,Scotland

Spouse:
Mary Queen

You might be right there going by the ages for James and Owen on the 1861 census, james born 1838 and Owen 1843 .
Can I ask where did you find their marriage Mike.?

Have to sign off now but thanks very much for your help Mike.

???

Bernard Greenan
in the 1841 Scotland Census

Name: Bernard Greenan
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Union Place
Occupation: Labourer Masons
Parish Number: 622
Household Members:
Name Age
Owen Mccannon 25
Mary Mccannon 25
Owen McPhilips 35
Bernard Greenan 25 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Patrick Murray 40
Pat Greenan 25 (maybe a brother??)

Maybe ???? (But Greenan seems to be a common name in Monaghan.)


James Greenan
Ireland Civil Registration Indexes
Name James Greenan
Event Type Death
Event Date Oct - Dec 1892
Event Place Monaghan, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year Oct - Dec 1892
Registration District Monaghan
Age 55
Birth Year (Estimated) 1837 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Volume Number 3
Page Number 161

The marriage is on Ancestry but only the certificate will tell you if it's the right couple.

Mike, civil registration didn't start until 1855 in Scotland so only a parish record would be available.

If Bernard died in Scotland, his death registration would name all spouses including their maiden surnames if the informant knew the details.

Jean - FYI
http://www.freecen.org.uk/
has all of Lanark for 1841/51 and most of Renfrew for 1841 (90%) & 1851 (78%), but nothing for these two counties for 1861 on.

I am not sure that the 1851 & 1861 censuses i refer to the couple who married in 1846.
They married in the Gorbals.
I think this is the bride, Mary Queen/Quinn at 1851 with her son and her parents

Patrick Greenan
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relationship: Son
Mother: Mary Greenan
Gender: Male
Where born: Govan, Lanark
Parish Number: 644/2
Civil Parish: Gorbals
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 41 Hospital St Back Land
ED: 8
Page: 24
Household schedule number: 87
LINE: 18
Roll: CSSCT1851_163
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Greenan 26 ***
Patrick Greenan 3 ***
Elizabeth Quin 66
James Quin 16
Michael Henry 30
Elizabeth Henry 24
Mary Henry 2


Potential matching RC baptisms in Glasgow for the other family.
( Scotland's People)
Baptisms in St Andrews which is on Clyde St for children named Bernard and Sarah.
Father Bernard. Mother: Mary
Mother's name does not match with Queen / Quin or any variant.
Edit: Mothers name :Mary SMITH

EDIT:
OP states Patrick married in 1870, at the same address showing on 1861 census therefore his mother's name should be listed on the cert?

Used some SP credits to look at Patrick's marriage record (though Jean already has this, and could tell us herself!).

Father: Bernard Greenan, mason's labourer.
Mother: Mary Greenan nee Smith


No Greenan / Smith marriage shows on SP.

Bernard's death cert only names Mary Smith as a wife.

Informant: James Greenan, son, 30 Wilson St., Partick.
Cause of death: fracture of leg, and shock.
Father: James Greenan, flesher, deceased.
Mother: Sarah Greenan, ms McMahon, deceased.

1877 GREENAN BERNARD
M 63 KELVIN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/09 0142


So the 1851 and 1861 posted by Mike are the correct family, as Jean has said, but the Quinn / Queen marriage is not, as GlasgowLass thought.

Perhaps Bernard Greenan and Mary Smith married in Ireland.

I can only see the death of Mary Quinn (in 1906, in Kelvin, Glasgow) - no sign of Mary Smith's death, at least not in Scotland.

Her Bernard was a seaman. After he died she married Edward Farmer, spirit merchant. Informant was her nephew James Hendry - presumably one of the Henry family in the 1851 census posted by GlasgowLass.

This looks like the son Owen in 1871 - he was a mason in 1861.
Can't see his marriage, however:


Owen Granan
in the 1871 Scotland Census
Name: Owen Granan
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Ross Ann Granan
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 644/8
Registration district: Anderston
Civil Parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 104 Richard St
Occupation: Stone Cutter <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
ED: 26
Household schedule number: 58
LINE: 2
Roll: CSSCT1871_137
Household Members:
Name Age
Owen Granan 28
Ross Ann Granan 18

Two possibilities for the son John in 1881 ???


John Greenan
in the 1881 Scotland Census
Name: John Greenan
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relationship: Prisoner
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/5
Registration district: Blackfriars
Civil Parish: Glasgow Blackfriars
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 71 Duke Street, Glasgow
Occupation: Mason <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
ED: H M Prison
LINE: 20
Roll: cssct1881_227



John Greenan
in the 1881 Scotland Census
Name: John Greenan
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Isabella Greenan
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/10
Registration district: Anderston
Civil Parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Occupation: Mason <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
ED: 21
Household schedule number: 79
LINE: 20
Roll: cssct1881_239
Household Members:
Name Age
John Greenan 29
Isabella Greenan 25
Mary Greenan 5
Sarah Greenan 2
Francis McDermid 29 - Lodger
Ann MacDermid 30 - lodger's wife
Mary MacDermid 7 Mo - lodger's daughter

A tree on Ancestry shows the death of Mary Greenan MS Smith as 28 Jan 1885. Registered in Kelvin.
Her mother was also a McMahon

Greenan/Smith Marriage date on this tree says 11 Jun 1836 in Co Monaghan
( probably found on the birth cert for one of the children born 1855 onwards)

1855 certs provide a wealth of info and expect it was found on BC for Catherine Greenan b 28 Apr 1855)

Tree follows son Owen and his descendants