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Frank Patrick does give his mother Ellen Vary as next-of-kin when he enlisted in 1922 .................

Next of Kin:- Mother Ellen Vary, 36 Foster (??sp) Rd, W. Croydon

I wasn't sure whether the street name was Foster or not

this is an unfortunate possibility for Ellen in 1911

Name: E V
Age in 1911: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation to Head: Patient
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, England
Civil Parish: Friern Barnet
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: Colney Hatch Asylum, Friern Barnet N
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Barnet

the 1929 death certificate - if I have been following the right people - would tell you her circumstances at the time of her death

the two locations are very nearby and there was a psychiatric hospital in St Albans

http://www.stalbansoutofsightoutofmind.org.uk/page_id__23_path__0p2p23p.aspx

'Napsbury is a residential area to the West of London Colney in the district of St. Albans in Hertfordshire. It was formerly the site of a major psychiatric hospital.'
'The Middlesex County Asylum was founded in 1898, and open from 1905 to 1998.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friern_Hospital

'Friern Hospital (formerly Colney Hatch Lunatic Asylum) was a psychiatric hospital in Colney Hatch in what is now the London Borough of Barnet. The hospital was built as the second Middlesex County Asylum and was in operation from 1851 to 1993.'


btw your Frank's birth was initially registered as Very, just for info

Births Mar 1902
Very Frank Bedford 3b 300
Births Mar 1902
Vary Frank Bedford 3b 300a

Deaths Mar 1929 ?
Vary Ellen 58 St.Albans 3a 1523

no other Vary events in St Albans at any time

>> this fits exactly with the time of the second Vary+Vickery marriage in Camberwell, i.e. it could have been immediately after Ellen's death


I wonder whether this was Thomas and Ellen's first child ... born and died the same quarter as their marriage, in Kensington

Births Dec 1892
Vary Ellen Mary Kensington 1a 112

Deaths Dec 1892
Vary Ellen Mary 0 Kensington 1a 81

but a second born not long later

Births Mar 1896
Vary Ellen Mary Kensington 1a 148

and no further record of her

Rober G Vary, Thomas's brother, also married in Kensington in 1892 ... and his son Robert G also had a daughter Ellen M born 1929, died 1930

so the name Ellen (their sister, 1872, also in trees here) was on the Vary side of the family too

one more child to the Vary+Vickery union

Births Sep 1913
VARY THOMAS W VICKERY Camberwell 1d 1479

unfortunately

Deaths Jun 1920
VARY Thomas 6 Camberwell 1d 738


Deaths Mar 1960
VARY Alice 81 Camberwell 5c 305

Deaths Mar 1946
Vary Thomas 77 Camberwell 1d 668


two people have in their trees here

Alice Vickery 1879 Battersea, London

and two people have

Thomas Vary 1869 Bermondsey, England

which is the info in the 1911 census ... that does match this birth

Births Dec 1868
VARY Thomas Bermondsey 1d 90

although the 1901 that is very definitely for the same family says Dublin, Ireland

and someone has

Ellen Reen 1870 Kerry, Ireland


1881 fits for Thomas - mother born Ireland

Name: Thomas Vary
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Robert G. Vary
Mother: Mary Vary
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Kensington
County/Island: London
Street address: 142 Portland Road
Registration district: Kensington
Robert G. Vary 37 born London, fishmonger master
Mary Vary 33 born Ireland
Thomas Vary 12
Robert Vary 10
Ellen Vary 9
John Vary 7
Joseph Vary 5
Samuel C. Vary 2
Daniel C. Vary

Ann mentioned Ireland and this birth would fit the Ellen we found in 1901

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F546-WVC

Name Ellen
Gender Female
Christening Place 392, COOM, KERRY, IRE
Birth Date 01 Apr 1870
Birthplace Coom, Kerry, Ire
Father's Name John Reen
Mother's Name Mary Murphy

as would this one

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPT2-BD4

Name Ellen
Gender Female
Christening Place 610, INCHIGEELA, CORK, IRE
Birth Date 01 Jun 1871
Birthplace Inchigeela, Cork, Ire
Father's Name Patrick Reen
Mother's Name Ellen Keleher

hopefully the Reen+Vary marriage certificate would tell you your Ellen's father's name and her age, and whether it matched one of those

her age at marriage would help find her in censuses

Alan people have been guessing at his marriage and death but since he is your grandfather you probably have that information :-)

it would help to share it just so we know where he was at other times

keep in mind that being born in the workhouse didn't necessarily mean the parents were destitute - workhouses had infirmaries that operated as hospitals and particularly for maternity

have you found his parent(s) in 1911? that information, whether you have or haven't, is also important to share

we know nothing about them (date and place of birth) so are casting about wildly to find them in earlier censuses to know who to look for in 1911 ... although they may not be lost, you may have found them

Marriages Dec 1892
Reen Ellen Kensington 1a 390
VARY Thomas Kensington 1a 390

(I find the freebmd format the simplest and easiest to understand)

since you don't know of his life between birth and 1920, you probably don't know whether he had siblings (older or younger)? ... he is the only Vary ever born in Bedford


yours is the only Ellen who ever married a Vary in England

is it possible this is her in 1901?

- edit - I'm sorry!! malyon suggested this - I'll leave it here for continuity:

Name: Ellen Vary
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation to Head: Prisoner
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, England
Civil Parish: Portsmouth
County/Island: Hampshire
Registration district: Portsmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: H M Prison Kingston
Occupation: needlewoman
> Condition as to marriage: married


there is no marriage in the records for this couple in 1901 below, could this be your Thomas?

Name: Thomas Vary
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Alice Vary
Birth Place: Dub, Irl
Civil Parish: Streatham
County/Island: London
Country: England
Occupation: general dealer
Condition as to marriage: married
Thomas Vary 28
Alice Vary 24 born Wandsworth c1877
George Vary 1 born Tooting (birth reg Q3 1899)
Mary Vary 8/12

1911 in Camberwell:

Thomas Vary 42 born Bermondsey, coster monger
Alice Vary 32 born Battersea
George Vary 11
Emily Mary Vary 10


bit of an odd pair of marriages

Marriages Jun 1916
Vary Thomas Vickery Camberwell 1d 1784
Vickery Alice Vary Camberwell 1d 1784

Marriages Mar 1929
Vary Thomas Vickery Camberwell 1d 1145
Vickery Alice Vary Camberwell 1d 1145

Births Jun 1878 ?
VICKERY Alice Wandsworth 1d 650

this might suggest that the first marriage was found to be bigamous and they re-married :-)


if these do turn out to be the people in question, they seem to be what we would call a 'disorganised' family today ... Ellen's situation would explain Frank not being with family in 1911 perhaps if he was placed in an institution or fostered at birth

Surrey, England, Regimental Rolls, 1914-1947

Name: Patrick Vary
Birth Year: abt 1901
Birth Place: Bedford, Bedfordshire
Event Date: 1 Aug 1922
Event Place: Kingston-on-Thames
Age: 21
Regiment Number: 7076155
Regiment: Queen's Royal West Surrey

from image:-

Place of Attestation:- Kingston-on-Thames
Trade on Enlistment:- Labourer
Place of Birth:- Bedford, Bedfordshire
Next of Kin:- Mother Ellen Vary, 36 Foster (??sp) Rd, W. Croydon

the majority of the Reen's in Kensington hail from Ireland

Ellen Reen

England and Wales Marriage Registration Index

Name Ellen Reen
Event Type Marriage
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year 1892
Registration District Kensington
County London
Event Place Kensington, London, England
Volume 1A
Page 390
Line Number 253

Ellen Reen probably married one of the following people

Name Thomas Vary

NOT THIS ONE

1891 for Ellen,


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Daniel Reen Head Married Male 59 1832 Coachman Ireland
Elizabeth Reen Wife Married Female 57 1834 - Ireland
William Reen Son Single Male 24 1867 Gardener Ireland
Robert Reen Son Single Male 11 1880 - Ireland
Jane Reen Daughter Single Female 28 1863 Dressmaker Chatham
Mary Reen Daughter Single Female 26 1865 Dressmaker Chatham
Ellen Reen Daughter Single Female 24 1867 - -Isle of Wight on image
Sarah Reen Daughter Single Female 16 1875 - Aldershot, Hampshire, England

Posting this really in order to work forward to see if Frank was with one of his relatives in 1911 ?

EDIT so it doesn't look as if it is this Ellen as she is still at home in 1901 and single
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
51, Cecil Road, Wimbledon, Kingston, Surrey, England


Elizabeth Reen Head Widow Female 68 1833 Living On Own Means Cork, Cork, Ireland T
Mary Reen Daughter Single Female 33 1868 Dressmaker Chatham, Kent, England
Ellen Reen Daughter Single Female 30 1871 - Hampshire, England

and 1911

Elizabeth Reen Head Widow Female - 78 1833 New Market Cork Resident
Marie Reen Daughter Single Female - 42 1869 Rochester
Ellen Reen Daughter Single Female Ironer 40 1871 Isle of Wight
Robert Reen Son Single Male House Painter 33 1878 Kildare Ireland

I sent a message to Alan but he hasn't opened it yet

this is the only birth i can find for ellen reen

Births Mar 1867 (>99%)
REEN Ellen I. Wight 2b 533

?

Marriages Sep 1911 (>99%)
Nichols Elizabeth Islington 1b 792
Sandwell James E Islington 1b 792
Smith Mary A Islington 1b 792
Vary Thomas Islington 1b 792 <<<<

Same area that Ellen died so a possible 2nd marriage

Ellen?

Deaths Dec 1907 (>99%)
VARY Ellen 44 Islington 1b 153

slightly out on DOB perhaps?

Births Mar 1867 (>99%)
REEN Ellen I. Wight 2b 533

would suggest perhaps that Frank might be in school (or orphanage ?) in 1911 but I can't find him as yet.

parents marriage

Marriages Dec 1892 (>99%)
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Reen Ellen Kensington 1a 390 Scan available - click to view

VARY Thomas Kensington 1a 390

could this be he's mother 1901


Ellen Vary
England and Wales Census, 1901
Name Ellen Vary
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
County Hampshire
Civil Parish Portsmouth
Ecclesiastical Parish St James Milton
Sub-District North End And Buckland
Registration District Portsmouth
Gender Female
Age 31
Occupation NEEDLEWOMAN
Relationship to Head of Household Prisoner
Birth Year (Estimated) 1870
Birthplace London
Page Number 7

5 Children born to the Vary/ Lee marriage can be found on freebmd.org.uk

Just a chance that the P is mistranscribed as D? as there is no other Frank Vary birth to match this DOB

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION (PREVIEW)
Vary Household
Croydon C.B., Surrey, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) BIRTH YEAR
Frank D Vary 1902
Annie C Vary is also on this record
2 more people who are officially closed

?????????????????

Name Kathleen L De Vear
Event Type Marriage Registration
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year 1938
Registration District Wandsworth
County London
Event Place Wandsworth, London, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911) Vary
Volume 1D
Page 758
Line Number 106

Vary probably married one of the following people
Name Frank Vary

??????????

Name Patrick F Vary
Event Type Marriage Registration
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year 1929
Registration District Dover
County Kent
Event Place Dover, Kent, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911) Lee
Volume 2A
Page 2017
Line Number 41

Patrick F Vary probably married one of the following people
Name Annie E Lee