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I had a lot of help here last week with William Osborne, born in Cheshunt in 1866, but I have failed to find his marriage. It was to Fanny Brown (or Frances). They had a child, William, born in 1897, in Shropshire. William and Fanny appear together on the 1901 census but she is not on the 1911 because, on July 5th 1905, she was admitted to an asylum. On the 1911 William describes himself as married but does not say for how long. I'm beginning to doubt that they ever were married. Can anyone help, please. I'll bring back last week's thread because there is a lot of information on there that some very kind people found for me.

Annie

Last week's thread is WW1 Records

Is this the right family?

William J Osborne 35
Fanny Osborne 35
Edith Osborne 11
William J Osborne 4
Frances Osborne 2
Alic E Osborne 10/12


Daughter Edith born Nova Scotia?

Andy

Annie's other thread, for reference:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1357504

Yes, that's the one. Edith has a history all her own. We think she's William's but not Fanny's and the charge of incest in Nova Scotia probably relates to her.

Annie

Fanny in 1891 - so if they married, it was after 1891. NB - Edith is with the Brown family in 1891. So if Edith was William's there must have already been a link between the families.:

Fanny Brown

in the 1891 England Census
Name: Fanny Brown
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John Brown
Mother's name: Edith Brown
Gender: Female
Where born: Skeriffhales, Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: Newport
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Newport
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Registration district: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2134
Folio: 13
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
John Brown 54
Edith Brown 44
Fanny Brown 24 [EDIT: Osborne on image, married]
Amy Brown 28
John Brown 20
Joseph Brown 16
William Brown 8
Edith Osborne 4/12 - grand-daughter, born Canada

I'm looking for that link at the moment. The whole thing is very puzzling.

Annie

Actually, although Ancestry's transcription of the 1891 census gives Fanny's surname as Brown, on the image it's Osborne - so if married, it was clearly before 1891.

Yes and Edith was born in Nova Scotia in 1891 and appears on the 1891 England census so she must have travelled there when she was very young indeed. I've found her birth record in Nova Scotia but can't find an immigration record. It's the marriage record that's bugging me, though. Am I reading too much into William not entering how long they'd been married on the 1911? The only marriage for a William Osborne round that time is to a Fanny Chilton in Madeley in 1899.

Annie

Well, there's certainly no record of their marriage in England/Wales, so it may well be that they weren't married.

Going back to Edith - you say she wasn't Fanny's daughter - how do you know?
She's listed as the Browns' grand-daughter in 1891.

I know it's a common name, but I'm wondering about this:

Fanny Brown
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Fanny Brown
Gender: Female
Age: 22
Birth Year: abt 1867
Date of Arrival: 28 Sep 1889
Vessel: Peruvian
Port of Arrival: St Johns, Newfoundland, Canada and Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada and Baltimore, Maryland, USA
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England

Can't see either Fanny or Edith coming back, though.
Nor do I see William going to Canada - but wondered if maybe they married there - wild theory!

We thought Edith wasn't Fanny's daughter because she was born in Nova Scotia in 1891 when Fanny was in Shropshire. Then I wondered if Edith was brought here from Canada by Fanny when she was just a month or so old but can't find a record of them arriving here. The army records for William say the charge of incest was during his time in Nova Scotia when he was in the army. I hadn't found that passenger record. Thanks for your help with this.

Annie

Just found this on familysearch:

Marriage: 23/10/1890, Halifax, Nova Scotia
Fanny Brown
Spouse: William J. Osborne

The names of William's parents are correct so it looks like Edith may well be Fanny's.

Annie

I looked at the image of that 1889 Passenger Record, and the only other information it gives is that Fanny Brown was going to Halifax.

Ship:PERUVIAN
Shipping Line:Allan Line Steamship Co.
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Date of Departure: 1889-09-17
Port of Arrival: St. John's, Nfld. Halifax, N.S. Baltimore, MD
Date of Arrival: 1889-09-28
Year:1889
Microfilm Reel Number:C-4514
Remarks: Date of arrival may apply to Halifax only List Number: 62
Reference:RG 76
Item Number:7866
http://data2.archives.ca/e/e148/e003676250.jpg


Marr (with imagw) can be found at:
https://www.novascotiagenealogy.com/

Thank you for that, mgnv, I'll look at the image now.

Annie