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Shirley_05

Shirley_05 Report 4 Feb 2016 15:32

i have the recieved today the marriage cert for a Augusta Bolton to her husband who where wed down here in 1908, i have tried to my knowledge looked everywhere for a birth for her in 1890 in london where she was born, her age on wedding certs clarifys her birth as to 1890 yet i cannot find her on1891 or 1901 census only 1911, gussy told family she was place in the work house nothing on that either on wedding cert her father is down has John Bolton

Help !!!

Dea

Dea Report 4 Feb 2016 15:37

"who where wed down here in 1908" - where 's 'down here' please?

Could you give us all the details from the marriage cert please - ages, addresses, occupations, fathers, witnesses etc.

Dea x

Shirley_05

Shirley_05 Report 4 Feb 2016 15:45

augusta bolton and thomas llewelyn on 22nd august 1908 herbrandston pembrokeshire

augusta birthday is 3 july 1890 Dea

Shirley_05

Shirley_05 Report 4 Feb 2016 15:47

augusta was 18 and a servant thomas was 28 and a labourer the marriage is on find my past

augustas dad is down as john bolton who i think marriage charlotte thompson 8 Sep 1889 • St Mary, Newington, England
augustas birth isnt on free bmd, family search or find my past

Dea

Dea Report 4 Feb 2016 15:49

This looks like her??

Augusta Llewellin

in the 1911 Wales Census
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Name: Augusta Llewellin
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, Kensington
Civil Parish: St Ishmael
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County/Island: Pembrokeshire
Country: Wales
Street address: Skerry Back Cottages St Ishmaels
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 2
Estimated Marriage Year: 1909
Registration district: Haverfordwest
Registration District Number: 602
Sub-registration district: Milford
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 4
Piece: 33186
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Llewellin 32
Augusta Llewellin 21
Alice Llewellin 2
James Llewellin 2/12

Dea x

Shirley_05

Shirley_05 Report 4 Feb 2016 15:51

yes i have that Dea just cant find her birh isnt on free bmd, family search or find my past

Dea

Dea Report 4 Feb 2016 16:05

I know you have it Shirley but I am just posting it for background info for anyone trying to help. We need a place to start.

Dea x

Rambling

Rambling Report 4 Feb 2016 16:15

Just playing with the idea of this one? If mother remarried to Bolton? Can't see her immediately anywhere after that?

Births Dec 1891 (>99%)
Dalton Augusta Kensington 1a 76

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 4 Feb 2016 16:26

(Occ. Labourer on Marriage Cert....(a stab below!)

Chris :)

1901 (Find My Past)
John Bolton Head Married Male 39 1862 Labourer London, Middlesex, England
Charlotte Bolton Wife Married Female 49 1852 - Kensington, Middlesex, England
Municipal ward Earls Court
Registration district Kensington
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 31
Folio 76
Page 37

Andrew

Andrew Report 4 Feb 2016 16:28

For ref


Name:Augusta Llewellyn
Birth Date:
3 Jul 1890
Date of Registration:Mar 1990
Age at Death:99
Registration district:Haverfordwest
Inferred County:Dyfed
Volume:24
Page:2136


Andy

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 4 Feb 2016 16:32

Name on marriage cert looks more like Balton

malyon

malyon Report 4 Feb 2016 16:39

perhaps she was not born in london found this

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Augusta Bolton
England and Wales Census, 1901
Name Augusta Bolton
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Cringleford, Norfolk, England
County Norfolk
Civil Parish Cringleford
Ecclesiastical Parish Cringleford St Peter
Sub-District Humbleyard
Registration District Henstead
Residence Note Intwood Road
Gender Female
Age 11
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1890
Birthplace Norwich, Norfolk
Schedule Type 33
Page Number 5
HOUSEHOLD

ROLE

GENDER

AGE

BIRTHPLACE

William G Bolton Head M 50 Kenninghall, Norfolk
Sarah Bolton Wife F 51 Martham, Norfolk
Gertrude Bolton Daughter F 21 Burston, Norfolk
Alice Bolton Daughter F 20 Burston, Norfolk
Harry Bolton Son M 16 Norwich, Norfolk
William Bolton Son M 13 Norwich, Norfolk
Augusta Bolton Daughter F 11 Norwich, Norfolk xxx
Olive Bolton Daughter F 9 Norwich, Norfolk
Cecil Bolton Son M 8 Norwich, Norfolk
William Brunson Lodger M 80 Martham, Norfolk
CITING THIS RECORD

greyghost

greyghost Report 4 Feb 2016 16:47

Augusta has signed the certificate quite neatly and I would read it as Bolton (outside chance Balton)

If her birthdate is correct on the death registration, her birth should have been registered Q3 1890, it would be over the allowed 6 weeks if her registration was delayed until Q4 - but I'm sure it happens.

malyon

malyon Report 4 Feb 2016 16:59

another child

Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
Llewellin William H Bolton Haverfordwest 11a 2884

malyon

malyon Report 4 Feb 2016 17:28

i wonder if the john and charlotte in the 1901 census adopted augusta after 1901 there are no children with them on census

Shirley_05

Shirley_05 Report 4 Feb 2016 17:42

Yes grey augusta has lovely hand writing

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Feb 2016 17:55

Do you have a reason for thinking John Bolton married Charlotte Thompson, Shirley?

This is the only John and Charlotte Bolton I can see living in London in 1891.
(And that 1901 posted earlier by Chris isn't showing on Ancestry. EDIT: Yes, it is, but name shown as Balton. )

They married in 1889.
However, if this birth and death are correct for Albert John on the 1891 census, then it's the wrong family.

Births Jun 1890 (>99%)
Bolton John Albert Lambeth 1d 392

Deaths Sep 1891 (>99%)
Bolton John Albert 1 Lambeth 1d 224


John Bolton
in the 1891 England Census
Name: John Bolton
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Charlotte Bolton
Gender: Male
Where born: Haggerston, London, England
Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: Mother Church St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Lambeth Church Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 394
Folio: 103
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
John Bolton 25 - potter's labourer
Charlotte Bolton 22 - born Lambeth
Albert John Bolton 13 Months



John's a kilnman in 1901:

Charlotte Bolton
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Charlotte Bolton
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: John Bolton
Birth Place: Lambeth, London, England
Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary the Less
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 08
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 408
Folio: 53
Page Number: 49
Household schedule number: 359
Household Members:
Name Age
John Bolton 34
Charlotte Bolton 32
George Bolton 9
Florence Bolton 3
Edith Bolton 1


Charlotte Bolton
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Charlotte Bolton
Age in 1911: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 80 Church Street, Kennington SE
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 22 (7 children, 6 living, 1 died)
Estimated Marriage Year: 1889 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration district: Lambeth
Registration District Number: 25
Sub-registration district: Kennington
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Piece: 1999
Household Members:
Name Age
John Bolton 44 - potter's labourer
Charlotte Bolton 42
George Bolton 19
Charlotte Bolton 17
Louisa Bolton 15
Florence Bolton 12
Edith Bolton 11
Annie Bolton 8

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 4 Feb 2016 18:06

(now 'sorted' AG, they have it as Balton!)

Chris :)

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Feb 2016 18:40

A tree on Ancestry has her father as John and her mother as Charlotte Honey.


Thinking of the workhouse story, I've looked at this one



Constance Augusta Bolton
Birth Date: abt 1888
Admission Age: 3
Admission Date: 24 Sep 1891
Discharge Date: 25 Sep 1891
Record Type: Admission and Discharge
Borough: Islington
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington
Place: London, England
Title: Liverpool Road Workhouse Register, 1891-1892


Alas her parents are Horace and Lydia! Her age on the 1891 census is given as 1 year.

malyon

malyon Report 4 Feb 2016 19:53

only in workhouse one day could horace have a brother called john and he took her to bring up as his own