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Help, I am trying to find when and where my Grandfather
died. His name is Walter E Bailey born in 1875 in Birkenhead, Cheshire. Married Lilly Leighton in 1902

shebar

Welcome to the boards, Sheila.

For helpers' reference, here he is in 1891.

Have you found him on later censuses, Sheila?


Walter E Bailey
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Walter E Bailey
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Bailey
Mother's name: Grace Bailey
Gender: Male
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Stockton on Tees
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Stockton on Tees
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Stockton
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4051
Folio: 70
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
John Bailey 39
Grace Bailey 37
Walter E Bailey 16
Edith G Bailey 15
Joseph E Bailey 11
Gertrude Bailey 5
John W Bailey 2
Albert Bailey 1

he is walter ernest born 1874

Their marriage, also for helpers' ref:

Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%)
Bailey Walter Ernest Middlesbro' 9d 967
Leighton Lily Middlesbro' 9d 967

this could be him

Deaths Jun 1952 (>99%)
BAILEY Walter E 78 Warwick 9c 902

Have you ruled out this one, Sheila, if he remained in the Birkenhead area?

Walter Bailey
in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Walter Bailey
Birth Date: abt 1874
Date of Registration: Mar 1968
Age at Death: 94
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 10a
Page: 42


I can't see him in 1901 or 1911 census.

When was Lily born?
Is this her?

Births Jun 1881 (>99%)
LEIGHTON Lily Middlesbro' 9d 609

When was /were their child /children born?
At least we would know he was alive then.

PM sent to Sheila, as she's a new poster, to tell her there are replies, and how to answer on the thread.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Major Street, Stockton on Tees, Stockton, Durham, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Bailey Head Married Male 39 1852 Ship Plater Bunbury, Cheshire, England
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Grace Bailey Wife Married Female 37 1854 - Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
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Walter E Bailey Son Single Male 16 1875 Steam Engine Maker Apprentice Birkenhead, Cheshire, England xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Edith G Bailey Daughter - Female 15 1876 - Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
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Joseph E Bailey Son - Male 11 1880 Scholar Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
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Gertrude E Bailey Daughter - Female 5 1886 Scholar Stockton, Durham, England
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John W Bailey Son - Male 2 1889 - Stockton, Durham, England
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Albert Bailey Son - Male 1 1890 - Stockton, Durham, England

for his occupation

A family tree on ancestry says they had a son in 1922

I can find one born in S Shields in 1920, but the one born in 1922 has a different mother's surname :-S

This may be Walter' wife. A birth in 1881 for Lily Leighton would match the birth date given on the 1939 register, below


Bailey Household (2 People)
56 Halt Street , Middlesbrough C.B., Yorkshire (North Riding), England

Lily Bailey 12 Mar 1881 Female Housemaid Married 220 1
Anthony Coles 06 Jan 1925 Male Errand Boy Single 220 2


It might be worth buying the death certificate for Lily (below)


Deaths Dec 1951
BAILEY Lilly 70 Middlesbro' 1b 646

I suspect the child born in 1920 in South Shields is the child of these parents:

Marriages Jun 1919 (>99%)
Bailey Frank Leighton S.Shields 10a 2201

Do you know where they lived after marriage, Sheila?
We can't find them in 1911 census.
There is one couple with the right names, but both born in Shropshire, and married in 1910.


As a long shot for the birth of a child (what was the name of their child/children?), there's this one - not Birkenhead area, but time-wise would be feasible:

Births Jun 1910 (>99%)
BAILEY Walter Ernest Aston 6d 337

There are lots of Baileys born in Birkenhead and Cheshire generally, from 1902 onwards, but we don't know the mothers' maiden names to pinpoint the right one(s).

Thankyou for all info which i already have. I know they were married in 1902 ,and had a son named Walter born in 1902 in Middlesbrough and then had another son named Norman Henry (my Father) born in 1904 in Newcastle.

births Dec 1902 (>99%)
Bailey Walter Raymond Middlesbro' 9d 619

births Sep 1904 (>99%)
BAILEY Norman Henry Newcastle T.

The only Norman Henry Bailey born 1904 (+/- 2 years) in Northumberland that I can find has father WILLIAM and mother Mary Ann

1911


Address
9 George St South Bank Yorks

Civil Parish
Eston

Sub District
Ormesby

Registration District
Middlesbrough

Image Reference
RG14 - PN29217 RD535 SD1 ED14 SN214


Lavinia Leighton 65 1846 Female Head Widowed 0 Scarborough, Yorkshire Boarding House Keeper
Walter Bailey 9 1902 Male Grandson 0 Newcastle-On-Tyne School
Norman Bailey 7 1904 Male Grandson 0 South Bank, Yorkshire School


Mavis

well done, Mavis!

and confirmation ..........


here is Lilly with mother Lavinia in 1881

1881 Census

Name: Lilly Leighton
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: John Leighton
Mother: Lavinia Leighton
Gender: Female
Where born: Southbank, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Normanby in Middlesbrough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: 35 North St

Registration district: Middlesbrough
ED, institution, or vessel: 8

Piece: 4859
Folio: 83
Page Number: 12

John Leighton 40
Lavinia Leighton 34
William C. Leighton 16
Han.E. Leighton 8
Lavinia Leighton 5
John Leighton 3
Lilly Leighton 1 month

The image shows that Lilly is 1 month old, although that has not been transcribed.

The census was taken on the night 0f 3 April 1881

Sheila, as you can see now, it does no good for you to know things that no one else knows!

the most basic question here is: when do you last know of your grandfather being alive?

were the children with their grandmother because their father was deceased, do you think (or know)?