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Abraham John and Eliza Cockley

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Penny

Penny Report 2 Apr 2016 01:04

Found their grave notices in Macquarie park cemetery. Were they husband and wife and if so were they married in Australia or England before coming here.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 2 Apr 2016 04:16

OK

you don't give any dates or any help for us!


Is this the Eliza Cockley gravestone?

from:- http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi

Eliza Cockley
Birth: unknown
Death: Aug. 20, 1937

Burial:
Macquarie Park Cemetery and Crematorium
North Ryde
Ryde City
New South Wales, Australia



No sign of Abraham John ............ did you find him on the same grave stone or on another one?


What makes you think they might have married?

When do you think they might have married, emigrated, been born, and where in England?

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 2 Apr 2016 04:33

found this on the following site:-

http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history/family-history.aspx

Registration Number Family Name Given Name(s) Father's Given Name(s) Mother's Given Name(s) District PDF Availability
15433/1937 COCKLEY ELIZA (BARNES) LANE COVE 69 YRS NORTH SYDNEY Unavailable

Looks like her maiden name was Barnes, and she married a Mr Cockley


so it does look as though she married Abraham John ..........

19111/1943 COCKLEY ABRAHAM JOHN ABRAHAM HORNSBY Unavailable


There was at least one daughter ............

Registration Number Family Name Given Name(s) Father's Given Name(s) Mother's Given Name(s) District PDF Availability

7260/1928 COCKLEY ELLEN ABRAHAM J ELIZA NORTH SYDNEY Unavailable





SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 2 Apr 2016 04:39

Could this be Abraham John's birth registration?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name: Abraham John Cockley
Registration Year: 1869
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Orsett
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 158

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 2 Apr 2016 05:05

1 more birth


Births Search Results

Registration Number Family Name Given Name(s) Father's Given Name(s) Mother's Given Name(s) District PDF Availability

9536/1900 COCKLEY JOHN W ABRAHAM J ELIZA SYDNEY Unavailable



so they were in Australia by 1900

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 2 Apr 2016 06:09

(his Father below)

Chris :)

13 May 1881 - Chelmsford Chronicle - Chelmsford, Essex, England

Death
On Monday week, as a middle-aged man named Abraham Cockley, a blacksmith, employed by Messrs. Sturgeon and Sons, was engaged at work in the smithy, he suddenly expired. Deceased, who leaves a wife and five chilldren, had been attended by Dr. Roworth for heart disease, and therefore it was not considered necessary to hold an inquest.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 2 Apr 2016 06:12

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=cockley&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=145494637&df=all&

(Abraham John, also Macquarie Park)


http://ryersonindex.net/search.php

(on above, for Newspaper notice, also others)

(Sydney Morning Herald on below)

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y

Chris :)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1198324?d=asc

(try Cherilyn on above, she might be able to help)

Maddie

Maddie Report 2 Apr 2016 12:19

living at 11 robert street a dealer with eliza, elsie and john william

Name: Abraham John Cockley
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1930
Subdistrict: Artarmon
State: New South Wales
District: North Sydney
Country: Australia

Abraham John Cockley

in the Australia, Death Index, 1787-1985
Record Image Index-only record

Report issue

Name: Abraham John Cockley
Death Date: 1943
Death Place: New South Wales
Father's name: Abraham
Registration Year: 1943
Registration Place: Hornsby, New South Wales
Registration Number: 19111

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 2 Apr 2016 15:52

This is the one whose birth record Sylvia posted.
Father's name Abraham, as in the death record posted by Maddie:

Abraham J. Cockley
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Abraham J. Cockley
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Abraham Cockley
Mother: Anne Cockley
Gender: Male
Where born: Grays, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Grays Thurrock
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: 2 Grays Old Farm House
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Orsett
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1752
Folio: 144
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Abraham Cockley 44
Anne Cockley 43
George W. Cockley 16
Annie A. Cockley 14
Abraham J. Cockley 11
Hannah K. Cockley 7
Ellen R. Cockley 4



Maybe ???

Abraham Cockley
in the Liverpool, England, Crew Lists 1861-1919
Name: Abraham Cockley
Age: 20
Birth Year: 1868 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Birth Place: Essex <<<<<<<<<<<
Event Date: 1888
Port of Registry: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Ship Name: Orizaba
Official Number: 93688
Reference Number: 387CRE/654

Possibly that's this ship:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Orizaba

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/5038736

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 3 Apr 2016 15:49

Welcome to the Community boards Penny.



(I'll let Penny know how to find her replies) :-)

Penny

Penny Report 3 Apr 2016 22:23

Thanks for the replies. Seems they were married then. My great grandmother was Annie A Sinfield, Abraham Johns brother. He took a while to find as she always called him John, according to my elderly mum. Sadly can't get any more info from her as she has advanced dementia. Can't find when Annie and Joseph Sinfield and family came to Australia. Know they were in Canada census in 1911. Am thinking there is evidence could have been on Marama but Can. never find Jospeh travelling with them. Always want needed what brought them to Austrslia. Maybe it was the family connection of Abraham John and his family already here.
The note of 11 Roberts street and trade as dealer is interesting. As far as I know from mum he was what we called then, a rag and bone man. Used to have a cart and went round the wealthier areas of the north shore area in Sydney buying stuff. Mum wore a Victorian necklace which I believe came from one of his trips, on her wedding day. The rest is of the family lived at North Sydney, then Gordon later on. jOseh had built the house at Gordon that my mum and dad bought from him after the Second world war. Only just found the article re his father's death at the smithy. There was a ten year gap from then till Annie married Joseph Sinfield in 1891. Makes you wonder how the family survived In those days. Thanks again everyone.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 4 Apr 2016 07:34

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y

(Joseph Sinfield on above. Death 1947, if anything else there relating)

Chris :)

SINFIELD, Joseph James. - September 25,1947, beloved husband of the late Annie Alice Sinfield, of Gordon, and loved father of Violet (Mrs. J. G. Bennett), Fred (deceased), Nellie, (Mrs. E. G. Vernon, Vancouver), Edith (Mrs. C. J. Tingate), and Leonard.


Marriages Mar 1891 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------
Cockley Annie Alice Orsett 4a 409
Sinfield Joseph Orsett 4a 409

Penny

Penny Report 4 Apr 2016 08:47

Thanks for that extra. I did have that info. Have some great parchment discharge papers from the Royal Engineers as well.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 4 Apr 2016 19:07

The Sinfields were in Australia by 1913


from FMP

New South Wales electoral rolls

Sinfield
Joseph


1913
New South Wales electoral rolls
New South Wales, Australia

from image:-

Joseph, Annie Alice and Violet Annie, living at 9 Arthur Street South, St leonard's

Joseph is a Carpenter, and Violet a Saleswoman. Annie is shown as "domestic duties".

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 5 Apr 2016 00:44

for our help ..............

1911 Census of Canada

Census Year: 1911
Item Number: 405840
Surname: Sinfield
Given Name(s): Joseph
Age: 48
Province: British Columbia
District Name: Vancouver, North Vancouver and South Vancouver

from image:-

Joseph born June 1863
Annie born May 1867
Children:-
Violet b. Oct 1891
Nessy b. Mrch 1895
Edith b. Nov 1896
Leonard b. Feb 1901

all born in England

Date immigrated:- 1907

Nationality:- Canadian
Religion:- Methodist

Joseph occupation:- Contractor


So they presumably sailed from Vancouver to Australia between 1911 and 1913.