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Looking for a birth record. From her death transcription and marriage certificate I know the following:

Mary letitia Scott born 18.06.1908
Died Jan 1985 in Peterborough

Marriage Ceruficate: Married in June 1948 to George Edwin Scott in Chelmsford, Essex (He was Carter but changed his name by deed poll in 1945). She was a spinster aged 39, her father is Frank Scott, coal miner.

Mary gave birth to my grandfather (In 1943 in Stirling, Scotland. Says she resides at sherwood street, Nottingham. She would have been 35. Occupation restaurant waitress.

I have looked at Marys in the census but cannot find a Mary with a Frank/ Francis as father.

Any suggestions or searches would be helpful, thank you.

Her death which gives the birthdate you have above.

Do you know this is her birthdate for sure, or have you only got that from the death registration? Information given to the Registrar would be to the best knowledge of the person giving it.

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First name(s) MARY LETITIA
Last name SCOTT
Gender Female
Birth day 18
Birth month 6
Birth year 1908
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1985
District PETERBOROUGH
Register number 185
County Northamptonshire
Volume 9
Page 1299

1939 register shows 1909 as her year of birth

Scott Household (1 Person)
127 North Sherwood Street , Nottingham C.B., Nottinghamshire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Mary L Scott 18 Jun 1909 Female Waitress Single 29 1

There are no birth matches in Scotland for a Mary L(etitia) or Letitia M(ary) Scott from 1900-1915

Could it have been that she had relatives in Scotland that she went to for her son's birth?

There are many 35 year olds not married and with no children, maybe just never met the right man until your Father's Father came along.

Not that it helps......

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George Edwin Scott in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: George Edwin Scott
Birth Date: 9 Feb 1902
Date of Registration: Sep 1976
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Peterborough
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Volume: 9
Page: 1039


George Edwin Carter in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: George Edwin Carter
Registration Year: 1902
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Maldon
Inferred County:Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 746


George Edwin Carter in the 1911 England Census
Name: George Edwin Carter
Age in 1911: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1902
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Purleigh, Essex
Civil Parish: Purleigh
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: The Street, Purleigh, Maldon
Occupation: school
Registration district: Maldon
Sub-registration district: Maldon

Household Members:

William Carter 45 Horseman on Farm)
Elizabeth Carter 41
William Richard Carter 12
George Edwin Carter 9

(Married 13 years, 4 children born, 2 living, 2 had died)


Marriages Dec 1897 (>99%)
Carter William Maldon 4a 998
Overall Elizabeth Maldon 4a 998


George Edwin Carter in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: George Edwin Carter
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 4 May 1902
Baptism Place: Essex, England
Father: William Carter
Mother: Elizabeth

Thank you all, Prickly I have had a lot of success with the Carters, they were very easy to trace back, Essex and Suffolk Ag labs and had kids in their early 20's. But I am feeling very disappointed with the Scott research.

Greyghost, where did you get this 1939 record from? Is it the electoral roll?
I couldnt find anything in Scotland either but just seems strange to me that she would go all that way unless she had some connection there. Looking at the Carters I presumed most women had children quite young.

Find My past has the 1939 registers as part of the subscription. If not a member you can pay to access I believe and also from National Archives (expensive).

Members on here with FMP access are always willing to do look ups.

Whatever her Father's occupation was at the time of her marriage, may not have been the same in 1911 - the last census with access at present. He also may not have existed ...

And depending on the way the question was asked, whether it says deceased or not on the marriage certificate, might be the opposite.

Couldn't find anything on Mary but thought this might be of interest:

Essex Newsman - Saturday 24 June 1933

RETURNED HOME
The discovery of a motor car containing articles of a man's clothing at Mill Beach on Sunday led the police to make enquiries. In one of the pockets of the clothing in the car was found a driving license belonging to Mr George Edwin Carter, aged 31, a married man, employed at Mr Reuben Royce's garage at Danbury, Pc Sewell and other officers engaged in an extensive search, but without any result. Happily Mr Carter has since returned safely to his home at Danbury.

Danbury is a village in the borough of Chelmsford, Essex.

Possible first marriage for George......

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George E Carter in the England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: George E Carter
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1933
Registration district: Chelmsford
Inferred County: Essex
Spouse: Violet M Wright
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 1628

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Births Jun 1910 (>99%)
WRIGHT Violet May Chelmsford 4a 678

2 possible children.....

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Births Jun 1935 (>99%)
Carter Peter E Wright Chelmsford 4a 1029

Births Mar 1939 (>99%)
Carter Raymond G Wright Chelmsford 4a 1037

I don't have FMP.......Can you find George on the 1939 register Greyghost?

Peter E Carter on the 1939 Register

1939 Register Transcription

Carter Household (4 People) 35 Ockelford Avenue , Chelmsford M.B., Essex, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Peter E Carter 27 Apr 1935 Male Under School Age Single 115 3
George E Carter 23 May 1910 Male Agricultural Engineer Repairing Agricultural Imprements At Mills Married 115 1
Violet M Carter 29 May 1911 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 115 2
Raymond G Carter 02 Jan 1939 Male Under School Age Single 115 4

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Beat me to it safc - I was casting around to see if there were any other threads to play with!

Thank you Safc.

:-)

That 1939 doesn't appear to be the same man in the article or the the man that PH put the birth and death up for. In 1933 his age was 31.

Maybe poster can confirm George's age

There's a little more info on this one:

Hartlepool Northern Daily Mail - Tuesday 20 June 1933

A car and clothing were found on the water's edge at Mill Beach, Essex yesterday, belonging to George Edwin Carter (31) a motor engineer of Danbury near Chelmsford. Mr Carter who is married and has three children, left home in his motor car to have a bathe at Mill Beach.

Thanks AustinQ, I will definitely look into that one about George.

I believe his brother William died In 1935 he would've been about 36, but I suppose I would need the death certificate to find out the cause of death.

George is listed as a garage foreman on his marriage cert which would tie in with Reuben Royce garage.

Prickly, George's first wife is on his marriage cert to Mary Letitia.

I recall on previous research I discovered he had 2 boys with Gladys. She appears to have passed away near George's marriage to Mary.

I am trying to hard to look for Mary Letitia Scott and her father Frank Scott. There seem to have been 2 Franks pass away in Nottingham, 1910 and 1942,

The address of the place in Stirling (9 Gladstone place) Looks to be an NHS place of some sort today. I cannot find a family connection in Scotland.

Looks like he had 2 sons and a daughter

1939- I don't have access
Carter Household Chelmsford R.D., Essex, England

Gladys G Carter 1901
Douglas G Carter and 1 more person are on this record
2 more people who are officially closed

Gladys G Carter on the 1939 Register

1939 Register Transcription

Carter Household (3 People) 62 Loftin Way , Chelmsford R.D., Essex, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Gladys G Carter 15 Aug 1901 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 159 1
Douglas G Carter 16 Jul 1924 Male Student At School Single 159 2
John Bradley 24 Jun 1913 Male Commercial Traveller Single 159 5

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George's Dob is 9th Feb 1902.

AustinQ is that where it finishes?

On his change of name deed poll he is listed as a motor egineer of 62 Loftin way, Great Baddow.