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Thank you so much for this information

I am gonna have a look now X

Just found something else with a wedding photo!

Educated guess says that Alexander John Cameron who married Agnes Cunningham had a brother named Willliam Dawson Cameron.
( Mother's maiden name was Dawson)

Dundee Courier : MONDAY 24 Dec 1934
PERTH MAN WEDS
The wedding took place at The Church Of John The Evangelist Edinburgh on Saturday of Mr William Dawson Cameron, son of the late Mr & Mrs AJ Cameron of Beechwood, Perth and Miss Evelyn Anne Hume of Edinburgh.
Photo shows the bridal party.

If and it's a big if without looking at this marriage cert....
If William's brother Alexander John happened to be his brother's best man, then he is in the photo.

There is also a Forthcoming Marriage announcement in The Scotsman dated 24 Nov 1934.
Evelyne Anne Hume was the daughter of AR Hume 17 Buckingham Terr, Edinburgh

There are a number of articles in various newspapers prior to 1934 relating to AJ Cameron who I think was the father.
If I've got the right man, he was a Cabinetmaker. AJ & D Cameron .

I also picked up that AJ Cameron (junr) had 1000 shares in The Oban Distillery Co
His address matched with William's address on the marriage announcement.
Need to recheck but I'm sure it was dated 1924

Oh my word !!!! You all work so fast !!!


Thank you

Yes, that's what I meant! Thanks for explaining it better.

It's only recorded once but, it's indexed on SP twice to reflect two surnames of Elizabeth
Each entry has the same index number : 644/14 0267
It's the same cert

Yes, they married in 1882. Recorded twice, with her ms Kirkpatrick, and her first married name McWhinnie.

1882 CUNNINGHAM DAVID
KIRKPATRICK ELIZABETH
KINNING PARK GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/14 0267

1882 CUNNINGHAM DAVID
MCWHINNIE ELIZABETH
KINNING PARK GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/14 0267

My Thoughts too Argyllgran.
16yr old Bessie fits the profile of his sister and there is a big gap in ages with the other "Cunningham" children

Name Elizabeth Jane Greer Mawhinney
Gender Female
Birth Date 04 Nov 1874
Birthplace MIDDLE OR NEW PARISH,GREENOCK,RENFREW,SCOTLAND
Father's Name James Mawhinney
Mother's Name Elizabeth Allan Kirkpatrick

Ooh, interesting! I wonder why he changed his name?

As the 1901 census posted by Rootgatherer on page 1 is definitely the family, this will be James in 1891:

Jas Cunningham
in the 1891 Scotland Census
Name: Jas Cunningham
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relationship: Son
Father's name: David Cunningham
Mother's name: Elizabeth Cunningham
Gender: Male
Where born: Greenock, Renfrewshire
Registration Number: 644/12
Registration district: Gorbals
Civil Parish: Glasgow Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 121 Govan St
Occupation: Fishing Rod maker Ap
ED: 61
Household schedule number: 54
LINE: 19
Roll: CSSCT1891_292
Household Members:
Name Age
David Cunningham 32 - tailor, born Kirkcaldy
Elizabeth Cunningham 41 - born Rothesay
Jas Cunningham 17
Bessie Cunningham 16
Lucy Cunningham 8
Joseph Cunningham 7
David Cunningham 4

Maybe a second marriage for his mother, and James was adopted by his stepfather? Will have a look.

The Scotsman
24 Jan 1940

DEATH OF AN OBAN CONTRACTOR
The death occurred yesterday of Mr James Cunningham of Victoria Cres, Oban.
Mr Cunningham had been at business yesterday morning and collapsed when he went home for lunch.
He was sole partner in the business of MACIVER and PATERSON, Carting Contractors and Coal Merchants, OBAN
As a choir conductor, he found oullet for considerable musical ability and acted in that capacity to Oban Choral Union.

EDIT....
Birth name was NOT James Cunningham
Probate.
CUNNINGHAM. James, otherwise James Kirkpatrick Mawheany of 1 Victoria Cres, Oban, died 23 Jan 1940.
Confirmation of Agnes Hunter or Cunningham, widow.
Sealed London 3 July
________________________
Name James Kirkpatrick Mawhinney
Gender Male
Birth Date 21 May 1873
Birthplace MIDDLE-EAST-WEST PARISHES,GREENOCK,RENFREW,SCOTLAND
Father's Name James Mawhinney
Mother's Name Elizabeth Allan Kirkpatrick

OMG!

Thank you So Much,

I Have So Much To Relay Back To Sue,

and poor woman feel she hasn't got any family at all,

we are hoping that trying to build a family tree for her will shed some light on more family for her and to try find these ones in Canada, but as they don't know about sue. but I would think that they would want to know about their father or maybe not I cant be the judge of that one.

thank you so much

Re Isabel Brown Dawson -

The marriage of Alexander John (senior) and Isabella gives her middle name as Chisholm, not Brown (unless maybe Brown is another middle name which would show up on the image):

1897 CAMERON ALEXANDER JOHN
DAWSON ISABELLA CHISHOLM
PERTH /PERTH 387/00 0176


If that's the case, then the DOB on 1901 census is out by 3-4 years.

Isabella Chisholm Dawson
in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name: Isabella Chisholm Dawson
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 10 Jun 1873
Birth Place: Perth,Perth,Scotland
Father: Joseph Allan Dawson
Mother: Isabella Chisholm
FHL Film Number: 6035516


Isabella Dawson
in the 1881 Scotland Census
Name: Isabella Dawson
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relationship: Daughter
Father's name: Joseph A Dawson
Mother's name: Isabella Dawson
Gender: Female
Where born: Perth, Perthshire
Registration Number: 387
Registration district: Perth
Civil Parish: Perth East Church
County: Perthshire
Address: Pickletullum House
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 9
Household schedule number: 298
LINE: 17
Roll: cssct1881_109
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph A Dawson 39
Isabella Dawson 33
Joseph A Dawson 12
Margaret Dawson 9
Isabella Dawson 7
Jane Dawson 5
Annie Bell 30 - visitor, Liverpool
Flora McDonald 20 - servant, Glasgow


Isabella C Dawson
in the 1891 Scotland Census
Name: Isabella C Dawson
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's name: Joseph A Dawson
Mother's name: Isabella B Dawson
Gender: Female
Where born: (Perth), Perthshire
Registration Number: 387
Registration district: Perth
Civil Parish: Perth East Church
Town: Perth
County: Perthshire
Address: Waverley Villa
Occupation: At Home
ED: 9
Household schedule number: 101
LINE: 23
Roll: CSSCT1891_117
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph A Dawson 49
Isabella B Dawson 44 - born Fife
Margaret K Dawson 19
Isabella C Dawson 17
Jane F Dawson 15
John B Dawson 5
Isabella Shand 18 - servant, Huntly


However, the "Brown" seems to come from Isabella Chisholm Dawson's mother:

Isabella B Dawson
in the 1871 Scotland Census
Name: Isabella B Dawson
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relationship: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Abbotshill, fifeshire [ will be Abbotshall ]
Registration Number: 685/5
Registration district: Newington
Civil Parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: 1, Rockville Pl
Occupation: Commercial Traveller Wife
ED: 47
Household schedule number: 43
LINE: 2
Roll: CSSCT1871_165
Household Members:
Name Age
Isabella B Dawson 25
Joseph A Dawson 2
Agnes W Brown 16 - sister-in-law (presumably of the unlisted - or maybe just untranscribed - Joseph)
Cathrine Marshall 22 - visitor


???
Joseph Dawson
in the Scotland, Select Marriages, 1561-1910
Name: Joseph Dawson
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 8 Oct 1867
Marriage Place: Edinburgh Parish,Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland
Spouse: Isabella Brown
FHL Film Number: 6035516

Seventeen Alexander John Camerons married 1916-35, none of them in Perthshire or Argyll, so can't discover his first marriage.

Alexander J's sister was Isabella Brown Cameron, born Perth 1900.

Her marriage:

1923 BLAIK DAVID JOHNSTONE
CAMERON ISABELLA BROWN
BLYTHSWOOD GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/10 1196

???

Alexander J Cameron
in the 1901 Scotland Census
Name: Alexander J Cameron
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1899
Relationship: Son
Father's name: Alexander J Cameron
Mother's name: Isabella Cameron
Gender: Male
Where born: Perth, Perthshire
Registration Number: 387
Registration district: Perth <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: Perth
County: Perthshire
Address: Thistle Bank Glasgow Road
ED: 12
Household schedule number: 147
LINE: 12
Roll: CSSCT1901_124
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander J Cameron 30 - born Fodderty, Ross-shire
Isabella Cameron 24 - Perth
Alexander J Cameron 2
Isabella Cameron 8 Mos - Perth
Mina Mouside 18 - servant

The Scotsman dated 28 Apr 1936

CAMERON-CUNNINGHAM
At Edinburgh on 27 Apr, Alexander J Cameron, son of the late Mr and Mrs AJ Cameron of PERTH.
To Agnes ( Nessie) daughter of Mr And Mrs J Cunningham, 1 Victoria Cres, OBAN

Maybe? 1901

James Cunningham
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Agnes Cunningham
Gender: Male
Where born: Greenock, Renfrewshire
Registration Number: 523
Registration district: Kilmore and Kilbride
Civil Parish: Kilmore and Kilbride
Town: Oban
County: Argyll
Address: 121 George Street
Occupation: Shop Manager Fishing Rod Mkr
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 69
LINE: 19
Roll: CSSCT1901_181
Household Members:
Name Age
James Cunningham 27
Agnes Cunningham 27 b. Oban
James Cunningham 2 b. Oban

phew!!! ArgyllGran.

So for starters, *Isabel* not *Annie* Brown Dawson was the mother of Alexander John Cameron who married in 1936.

I wonder who Isabel Brown Black/Blaik was ... a married sister of Alexander, named for her mother?

Out of sheer frustration at the lack of clarity in the information given by Detail and Sue, I've had a look at the 1936 marriage myself :-

27th April 1936, at 34 Chambers Street, Edinburgh, Alexander John Cameron, 37, distillery manager, widower, usual address Glenquaich, Oban [oh, that's interesting - I live near Oban, and know that house and the distillery!]
married Agnes Cunningham, boarding house proprietrix, spinster, 30, usual address Crescent Boarding House, 1 Victoria Crescent, Oban.

[1 Victoria Cres nowadays houses a 4-star hostel, with pub in basement.]

Alexander's parents:
Alexander John Cameron, company director, deceased.
ISABEL Brown Cameron, ms Dawson, deceased

Agnes's parents:
James Cunningham, contractor & coal merchant.
Agnes Cunningham, ms Hunter.

Made in Declaration in presence of Tom Mawson Waters, 21 Meadow Place road, Corstorphine, Edinburgh, and Isabel Brown Black [or possibly Blaik], 31 Kaimes Road, Edinburgh.

Not a church wedding. An "irregular marriage" - simply declaring in front of witnesses. Abolished in 1940.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_Scotland

Detail you said that Alexander John Cameron and Agnes Cunningham were

PARENTS TO ALEXANDER JOHN CAMERON

but it is **James Alexander Cameron** their son whose children in Canada you are looking for ??

who is Alexander John Cameron? did you mean James Alexander Cameron?

WAIT, I see what you were saying - I misread it (because you were not clear!) -
you were saying that Alexander John Cameron married Agnes Cunningham, and HIS parents were Alexander John Cameron and Annie Brown Dawson

(not - that he and Agnes were the parents of Alexander John Cameron)

sorted now



in any case ... to trace Sue's paternal grandparents' ancestry ...

you still need to see the marriage certificate of Alexander John Cameron and Annie Brown Dawson - to get their own parents' names


... well, except that scotlandspeople shows no marriage for the names Alexander Cameron and Ann or Annie Dawson ...

rather than rely on Sue's info about her great-grandparents' names (the parents of Alexander John Cameron who married Agnes Cunningham), she should view the actual 1936 marriage certificate to see what it says

... or ... is that where you got the names?

Detail please try to give as clear info as possible ... the sources of info and exactly what they say

if you have seen the 1936 marriage certificate, does it give the bride's and groom's ages?

no sue give me the information on her grand parents names on her dads side that was but was able to give me address of where they lived and they run a sweet shop,

thank you so much for helping me