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8th Battalion Argyll & Sutherlanders records etc

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Ian

Ian Report 21 Aug 2016 21:05

I am trying to find some military records for a James Paterson born 1897 Falkirk, Stirlingshire. It is believed he joined the 8th Battalion Argyll & Sutherlanders at Dunoon, Stirlingshire around 1914/15. May have gone onto be billeted at Bedford before going to fight in France maybe fought in the battle of the Somme?
Any help much appreciated father name William mother Janet I have the family in the Scottish census reports just trying to find James Paterson Military records

Sylvia

Sylvia Report 21 Aug 2016 22:12

James Wonder if this is him
Last name Paterson
Age 16
Birth year 1896
Birth county Argyllshire
Birth country Scotland
Service number 1450
Regiment Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders
Unit / Battalion 8th Battalion

Year 1912
Series WO 364
Series description WO 364 - First World War pension claims
Archive The National Archives
Record set British Army Service Records
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from Great Britain.

Sylvia

Sylvia Report 21 Aug 2016 22:24

Maybe this one
James
Last name Paterson
Age 17
Birth year 1897
Birth town Larbert
Birth county Stirlingshire
Birth country Scotland
Service number 2063
Regiment Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders
Year 1914
Series WO 364
Series description WO 364 - First World War pension claims
Archive The National Archives
Record set British Army Service Records
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from Great Britain

Ian

Ian Report 21 Aug 2016 22:24

Hi Sylvia well done that looks like him all right.
It's said in the family he gave his wrong age (older than he was) just to get into the army. At some point he war shot in the elbow after going over the top and was returned to britain with his injury and never got to return to the front. He came back home to falkirk to be a Iron moulder.

malyon

malyon Report 21 Aug 2016 22:25



James Paterson

United Kingdom, World War I Service Records

Name James Paterson
Event Type Military Service
Event Year 1914
Age 17
Military Company/Regiment Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders
Military Regiment 2063
Birth Year (Estimated) 1897
Birthplace Larbert, Stirlingshire, Scotland

Ian

Ian Report 21 Aug 2016 22:26

Sylvia no that is a different Paterson family

malyon

malyon Report 21 Aug 2016 22:27

James Paterson
Find A Grave Index


birth:

1897



death:

8 August 1954



burial:

1954

Denny, , Falkirk, Scotland

Sylvia

Sylvia Report 21 Aug 2016 22:29

There are a lot of James Patersons Ian, Is either of those I posted the correct one do you think.

Ian

Ian Report 21 Aug 2016 22:34

Sylvia the first one looks correct I have checked the second one it is different parents names. My James parents are William and Janet
Census 1901
Name: James Paterson
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Relationship: Son
Father's name: William Paterson
Mother's name: Janet Paterson
Gender: Male
Where born: Falkirk, stirlingshire
Registration Number: 479
Registration district: Falkirk
Civil Parish: Falkirk
Town: Falkirk
County: Stirlingshire
Address: 161 Graham's Rd
ED: 9
Household schedule number: 108
LINE: 9
Roll: CSSCT1901_155
Household Members:
Name Age
William Paterson 45
Janet Paterson 40
Hugh Paterson 16
Janet Paterson 14
Mary Paterson 10
Katie Paterson 8
Willie Paterson 6
James Paterson 3
Agnes Paterson 1

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 22 Aug 2016 07:00

Not 1450, his Mother, Christina Paterson, Inveraray. From Pension Record.

(checked by search on Ancestry, Military, using Surname, Number in Keyword box)

Chris :)


http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/british-army-medal-index-cards-1914-1920/

(sometimes a case of searching on above, then transferring Number to Ancestry, Find My Past, or even 'google' search, not a quick task!.

Chris :)

2063, Father, Alex Paterson, Coopers Loan, Carron. From Find My Past, British Army Service Record.

Ian

Ian Report 22 Aug 2016 09:47

Hi Sylvia where and how did you find this record for James Paterson do you have a link you could share with me. I do believe it is the James I am looking for Sylvia I was hoping to find the parents name details to confirm we have the right person.

Thank you all for your kind ongoing help

James
Last name Paterson
Age 16
Birth year 1896
Birth county Argyllshire
Birth country Scotland
Service number 1450
Regiment Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders
Unit / Battalion 8th Battalion

Year 1912
Series WO 364
Series description WO 364 - First World War pension claims
Archive The National Archives
Record set British Army Service Records
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from Great Britain.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 22 Aug 2016 09:58

If you mean the first record that Sylvia posted (the one below), then Chris already explained his NOK is listed as Mother: Christina Paterson, Inveraray- so not yours.

James Paterson
Age 16
Birth year 1896
Birth county Argyllshire
Birth country Scotland
Service number 1450
Regiment Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders
Unit / Battalion 8th Battalion

This service record is on FMP and have confirmed Mother is listed as Christina and his father as Andrew

Ian

Ian Report 22 Aug 2016 10:42

Hi Austin
I have checked on Ancestry as Chris instructed and only see John Paterson's listed there?
The James Paterson No 1450 that Sylvia posted looks good. Family believe he received the 14/15 star so he must have be shot and then discharged from duty 1915

I found this record for 8th Battalion A&S
1/8th (The Argyllshire) Battalion Territorial Force
04.08.1914 Stationed at Dunoon, Argyll as part of the s part of the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders Brigade of the Highland Division and then moved to Bedford.
15.04.1915 Transferred to the 1st Highland Brigade.
May 1915 Mobilised for war and landed in France.
12.05.1915 The formation became the 152nd Brigade of the 51st Division and engaged in various actions on the Western front including;
1915
The Battle of Festubert, The Second Action of Givenchy.

Also found
Era: ww1
The 1914 – 15 Star was a campaign medal of the British Empire, for service in World War one.

This Star is identical with the 1914 Star in every respect except that the centre scroll bears the dates “1914- 15” and the two small scrolls bearing “Aug” and “Nov” are omitted.

The 1914-15 Star was approved in 1918, for issue to officers and men of British Imperial Forces who saw service in any theatre of war against the Central Powers between 5th August, 1914, and 31st December, 1915,

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 22 Aug 2016 10:58

Ian- I've just confirmed through FMP that the James Paterson No. 1450 was born 4th November 1896 in Inveraray and has parents Andrew & Christina....

He was discharged as medically unfit (flat foot) 22 Feb 1915 Bedford.

Ian

Ian Report 22 Aug 2016 11:11

Thanks Austin for your look up I can now safely say No 1450 James Paterson is not the person I am looking for.
Interesting note told this morning by old family members that James Paterson was a lance corporal in command of a machine gun team of four men. when they went over the top he was shot in the elbow returned to the line other three in his team where killed.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 22 Aug 2016 11:14

(it's below for Ancestry Ian)

Chris :)

All British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 (Ancestry)

James Paterson
abt 1896 1450 8th Bu Art Hussars

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 22 Aug 2016 11:21

Using Lance Corporal to search in Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders these come up:

??

First name(s) James
Last name Paterson
Service number 2775, 469658
Rank Private, Lance Corporal
Corps Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders, Labour Corps
Service record Soldier Number: 2775, Rank: Private, Corps: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
Service record 2 Soldier Number: 469658, Rank: Lance Corporal, Corps: Labour Corps
Archive reference WO372/15
Archive reference description Campaign Medal Index Cards and Silver War Badge Cards
-----------------------------------------------------

First name(s) J
Last name Paterson
Service number 644
Rank Lance Corporal
Corps Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
Service record Soldier Number: 644, Rank: Lance Corporal, Corps: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
Archive reference WO372/24
Archive reference description Mentions in Despatches, Meritorious Service Medals and Territorial Force Efficiency Medals
Country Great Britain
Record set World War One British Army medal index cards
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Both of these are for the same man

Ian

Ian Report 22 Aug 2016 11:21

Thanks Chris for your note sorry to find that he is the the James Paterson and family I am Looking for.
Very much appreciate your kind help.

Ian

Ian Report 22 Aug 2016 11:24

Austin that is looking good to can we find is parents names anywhere?

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 22 Aug 2016 11:50

Unfortunately I don't see service/ pension records for either of the men listed- not surprising as many didn't survive.

Perhaps someone else can look just to double check.