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Birth reg 1885 in Nottingham, Florence married Robert Armienson in Nottingham in 1905.

He died in Mauritious on 9 Feb 1915.
Florence remarried 2Q 1915 - she didn't hang around, did she?
I've no idea when Robert was born, although the limited Military Records do say Radford, Nottingham.
His Effects does say to wife 'And children'.

Please can anyone find either Florence or Robert in 1911 please? The surname does appear to have been mucked about a bit.

Not that it helps.....

Births Jun 1915 (>99%)
Armienson Edna M Thacker Nottingham 7b 619

Thanks - just found that. Also on FMP a record of his death says age 28, so born c1887

????

Births Dec 1910 (>99%)
ARMIENSON Ellen W. Derby 8b 582

Possibly.

Did find this on the 1911 summary books but can't work out how to check if its the right for Florence

Name: Armienson Mrs
Number of Females: 2
Household schedule number: 35
Street address: 267 Ilkeston Road
Civil Parish: Nottingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Radford All Souls
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Residence Year: 1911
Registration district: Nottingham
Registration District Number: 430
Sub-registration district: Nottingham South West
Sub-Registration District Number: 1
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 1228

The one above seems to be Mrs Catherine Armienson widow a green grocer of 267 Ilkeston Road Notts born in Derbyshire.It says Catrine born @ 1856 in Ripley Derbyshire.
1902 137 Alfreton Road Catherine Armienson Fish Monger

Catherine Armienson widow born 1858 died 1943,of 27,Pine Street Old Radford probate to James Armienson caster.£276 5s 5d

Edna May Coddington/Armienson born 21/3/1915 died June 1994 she married Leonard Hollingworth

There is also a James Armienson born Radford @ 1887 married Gertrude Swift 1914.

Maryb.

This looks to be the Catherine Arminson from the 1911 census in 1891. Note name of husband is Robert.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Ossington Street, Radford, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Arminson Head Married Male 54 1837 Corporation Labourer Radford, Nottinghamshire, England
Catherine Arminson Wife Married Female 34 1857 - Ripley, Derbyshire, England Transcription
T W M Walters Son Single Male 14 1877 Toy Maker Beeston, Nottinghamshire, England
R A Walters Son Single Male 7 1884 Scholar Nottinghamshire, England
Jas A Walters Son Single Male 3 1888 - Nottinghamshire, England
Marion Whitehall Lodger Single Female 35 1856 Paper Bag Maker Derby

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So this birth would fit R A Walters

England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription

First name(s) ROBERT ARMIENSON
Last name WALTERS
Birth year 1884
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District NOTTINGHAM
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Volume 7B
Page 283

James A Walters also has the Armienson name

England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription

First name(s) JAMES ARMEINSON
Last name WALTERS
Birth year 1887
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District NOTTINGHAM
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Volume 7B
Page 254

TWM Walters - no Father named

Nottinghamshire baptisms Transcription

First name(s) Thomas William
Last name Walters
Birth year 1877
Birth date 15 May 1877
Baptism year 1878
Baptism date 12 Jun 1878
Denomination Anglican
Church St John the Baptist
Baptism place Beeston
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) Catherine
Mother's last name Walters

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription
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First name(s) ROBERT
Last name ARMIEINSON
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1888
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ ROBERT ARMIEINSON married one of these people
MARY ANN LEWIS, CATHERINE WALTERS
District NOTTINGHAM
District number -
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Volume 7B
Page 496A

Mary – thanks for working out who lived in Ilkeston Road. Catherine, not Florence

Greyghost - So Robert Armienson might have been born Robert Armienston Walters, then dropped his mother’s surname when she married?
…

The Armienson/Swift marriage does help to exclude some of the births.

Aside from Edna M b 1915, we’re left with

Robert Sylvester 1907 West Derby Lancs (He’s not on Lancsbmd)
William Wilfred West Derby 1908
Ellen 1910 West Derby, Lancs

It’s a pity LancsBMD doesn’t show mmn.

Nellie/Ellen dies Nottingham 1939 – on the 1939 register she’s listed as a Patient so no help in identifying her family.
William Wilfred dies Nottingham 1917
Robert Sylvester died W Derby 1907

The ones still living in 1911 are still missing from the census, even using a wide search.

Perhaps we’ll never know where they hid.

Thank you for your excellent efforts

James Armienson (Walters) may have married Gertrude in 1915, but they are together in 1911 with a daughter, so some of family still in Nottingham

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2 Simkins Buildings Clayton St Nottingham, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
James Armienson Head Single Male Carter For Coal 24 1887 Nottingham
Gertrude Swift Servant Single Female House Holder 22 1889 Nottingham
Edna Swift Armienson Daughter - Female - 0 1911 Nottingham

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SWIFT EDNA ARMIENSON 1910 Q2 7B 459
England & Wales births 1837-2006 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England

authority
Nottingham City Council
cemetery
Southern Cemetery (Wilford Hill), Nottingham
grave reference
H30/88

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name/date of burial/date of death
Armienson, Gertrude10 August 1957 07 August 1957
Armienson, James03 January 1944 30 December 1943
Armienson, Catherine08 April 1943 04 April 1943
Armienson, Ellen16 December 1939 12 December 1939

Just for interest - Catherine ("married" for respectability) and son Thomas in 1881:

Catherine Walters
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Catherine Walters
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relationship to Head: Housekeeper
Gender: Female
Where born: Ripley, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Radford
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address: 2 Duffins Row
Registration district: Nottingham
Sub registration district: Radford
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3342
Folio: 29
Page Number: 52
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Robinson 44
Catherine Walters 31 - housekeeper, married [?], Ripley
Thomas Walters 3 - Beeston



Catherine Walters
in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Catherine Walters
Registration Year: 1850
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Belper
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 19
Page: 446

Deaths Dec 1910 (>99%)
Armienson Robert 71 Nottingham 7b 145

Catherine Armienson
Canada Census, 1916
Name Catherine Armienson
Event Type Census
Event Date 1916
Event Place Saskatchewan, Canada
Gender Female
Age 56
Marital Status Widowed
Ethnicity English
Relationship to Head of Household Self
Birthplace England
Birth Year (Estimated) 1860
Immigration Year 1914
Province Saskatchewan
District Number 29 Saskatoon
Sub-District Number 07
Page 40
Affiliate Film Number T-21944

did robert and florence go to canada ?? as can't find on 1911 census

Catherine Armienson
England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name Catherine Armienson
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year 1943
Registration District Nottingham
County Nottinghamshire
Event Place Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Age (available after 1866) 85
Birth Year (Estimated) 1858
Volume 7B
Page 321
Line Number 85

Catherine Armienson on the 1939 Register

1939 Register Transcription

Armienson Household (3 People) 27 Rifle Street , Nottingham C.B., Nottinghamshire, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Catherine Armienson 25 Feb 1859 Female General Dealer Widowed 67 1
James Armienson 25 May 1857 Male Carter Married 67 2
Gertrude Armienson 16 Nov 1888 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 67 3

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I’ve no idea if they went to Canada, but Robert Sylvester was buried in Walton Park Cemetery with an address in Everton, Lancs. That was in Jul 1907.

Florence was definitely in Nottingham by Jun 1914 to conceive her daughter Edna May – double registered as Armienson and Coddington. She married Walter Coddington after her husband died.

Perhaps I should have made it clear that I was following down the Thacker line – Florence’s parents.

Thank you for kindly accessing the burial registers Greyghost. If Ellen is buried with other Armienson’s, they are obviously related.

With so many Thanker/Armienson offspring dying youngish, it does make you wonder if there was some genetic defect.

do you have florence's marriage cert for 1905?