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Hi I need some help please
I have sent to the GRO twice now for a birth certificate for Frederick Etherington who is my Great grandfather,and both times it came back could not find?? here is what I have on him.
I have a copy of his Bapt: certificate which states he was bapt: Dec 19 1841, in the parish of Felkirk in the county of York, and also states on it he was born Nov 1st ,but no year? his parents where John & Elizabeth Etherington, abode at the time is listed as Haw Park in the parish of Sandal.
On a copy of a 1851 census in Ryhill, I have him as age 9 and father is a widow
On a 1871 census in Barnsley at some sort of instituted he is 28 and a porter
I have a copy of his marriage Certificate age 28 in 1872 Barnsley where he married Christiana Binns. and occupation listed as county court officer.
On a 1881 census in Shafton age 39 born Ryhill, occupation Gardener
On a 1891 census in Shafton age 46? (maybe 49) occupation Gardener
I have his parents as John Etherington and Elizabeth Etherington nee Rogerson. which on some of the above show up as John and Elizabeth Etherington to confirm it, so my question is why can't GRO come up with a birth certificate? or have I got some of it wrong in my tree???? Help please
Al Etherington -----------Canada

:-(

Hi rootgatherer
thanks ,i was thinking along those lines, but had to have one more try at it,again many thanks

Its strange that John andx Chritiana had another son in 1883 by the same name????

Hi Mel
Something wrong with your answer. its Frederick and Christiana and not John
and they had My granddad Henry 1887,Gertrude,1872,Edith .E 1878, William 1878 and FRED 1881 sorry but thanks for you answer
AL Etherington--------Canada :-S

Sorry my mistake.

Hi Mel
that's ok, but you had me thinking there for a bit,thanks
AL Etherington------------Canada

tree on family search says Frederick born 1842 so the one you mention could not have been baptised in 1841

The image of the 1841 baptism is online on Ancestry

Malyon .....


that tree is probably a result of inefficient research (for want of a ruder word!) ...........

There are two Frederick Etheringtons with births registered in 1842, one in London and one in Sussex

Assumption made!!

Al ...........

just one thing re his birth date ................

I think if the Vicar noted day and month in the Parish Register but without a year, then it can be assumed that the child was born in the year that s/he was baptized ........

so the assumption here would be that he was born 1 Nov 1841

Malyon, the tree on Familysearch may have taken his year of birth as calculated from his age given on census records. If he was born November 1841, he would show as 9 years old on the 1851 census as he would not yet have had his tenth birthday.

Hi Sylvia and Maylon
I think I had 1842 in my tree but since doing this research last month, I have now changed it to Born Nov 1st 1841 & Bapt: Dec 19 1841, which is what is on the bapt: certificate and makes sense, so no birth certificate but I think these dates are the most accurate, so i will close this query, and many thanks to you all

AL Etherington-----------------Canada

Albert ................

I wasn't suggesting that one of the two Fredericks with registrations in 1842 was yours ................ I had seen the baptism and knew it couldn't be.

I was showing how the family tree referred to by Malyon might have got it wrong!



Mind you .................. it would not be unknown for someone to be born in the "wrong" place, because the mother was away from home



Nor would it be unknown for a child to be registered months or even years later than actual date of birth!

(reference to Parents)

Chris :)

Yorkshire, bishop's transcripts of marriages Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) John (occ. Sawyer)
Last name Etherington
Residence Wragby
Marriage year 1825
Marriage date 24 Nov 1825
Marriage place Royston
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Rogerson
Spouse's residence Roystone
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Archive Borthwick Institute for Archives
Page 90
(wits, Mary Etherington, George Rollinson, Joseph Shaw)


1841 (Find My Past)
John Etherington Male 40 1801 Yorkshire, England (ag. Lab)
Elizabeth Etherington Female 35 1806 Yorkshire, England
Thomas Etherington Male 10 1831 Yorkshire, England
William Etherington Male 8 1833 Yorkshire, England
Mary Ann Etherington Female 6 1835 Yorkshire, England
Alles Etherington Female 4 1837 Yorkshire, England
Joseph Etherington Male 2 1839 Yorkshire, England
Street Haw Park Lane
Parish or township Sandal, Magna
Town Walton
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (West Riding)
Registration district Wakefield
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 1270
Book number 4
Folio number 6
Page number 6

It might interest you to know that the Institution where Frederick was working in 1871 was the Barnsley Union Workhouse.

I was intrigued as to how a 'humble porter' (who was someone I think of as 'fetching and carrying') should have become only one year later a County Court Officer so I looked further and found a mention in the Barnsley Chronicle, 3rd Sept., 1870 of him being 'elected' to the post .......

It would seem that the position of Porter at the Workhouse was a role of some importance, details of which can be seen below:

OOOps - I was hoping to copy and paste the details but the site won't let me :-(
However, you can read them for yourself here:

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/admin/index.shtml

The info re 'Porter' is about 3/4 way down the page.

Dea x

Hi Chris Ho
Thanks for all that information on Frederick Etherington, it now firms up what I had on him and his father John Etherington, and of course Frederick was not on that that 1841 census? as he was not born till Nov 1841 which has now been confirmed, so again many thanks

AL Etherington----------------Canada

Hi Dea
Thanks for all that, I will take a look at that site you sent, I was wondering also how he was a court officer one minute then a porter the next sounds like you said intriguing, I will read all about it when i get back from an appointment I have,again many thanks.

AL Etherington--------------Canada

Hi Again Dea
Very interesting article on the workhouse and how it was run, and yes the job of porter was important from the reading, now you also said that you read an artical in the Barnsley Chronical of 3rd of Sept 1870 about Frederick being elected to the post, I tried to find that Paper to read about him, but had no luck any chance you could send me any thing on that please, that's if you can, thanks

AL Etherington--------------Canada

03 September 1870 - Barnsley Chronicle, etc. - Barnsley, South

Hang on while I type it all out !....................

Dea x