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phoebe francis

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katqueen

katqueen Report 19 Dec 2016 19:12

Can anyone help please by finding a record of the marriage of John Henry Guy 1891-1918 and Phoebe Francis 1889. They had 3 children Mabel Sarah, John and Robert. Many thanks.

Andrew

Andrew Report 19 Dec 2016 19:22

Maybe

Marriages Sep 1912 (>99%)
Francis Ph_be Guy W Derby 8b 7_3


Guy John W Francis W.Derby 8b 763


Andy

Andrew

Andrew Report 19 Dec 2016 19:25

The children

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
Guy Mabel S Francis W.Derby 8b 736 Scan available - click to view
Births Mar 1915 (>99%)
GUY John T Francis W Derby 8b 811 Scan available - click to view
Births Jun 1918 (>99%)
Guy Robert D Francis W.Derby 8b _42

katqueen

katqueen Report 19 Dec 2016 19:29

Just found out that John Guy's middle name was Williams not Henry so that must definitely be the record of the marriage. Thankyou so much Andy

Andrew

Andrew Report 19 Dec 2016 22:51

Deaths Sep 1966 (>99%)

GUY PHOEBE 77 LIVERPOOL N 10D 127

Andy

safc

safc Report 20 Dec 2016 07:05

Marriage: 21 Jul 1912 St Aidan, Kirkdale, Lancashire, England
John William Guy - 23, Rigger, Bachelor, 68 Latham St.
Phoebe Francis - 23, Spinster, 96 Flinders St.
Groom's Father: George Guy, Deceased, Jailor
Bride's Father: Thomas Francis, Coal Heaver
Witness: John James Francis; Ruth Constance Langshaw
Married by Banns by: S. Hilton, Vicar
Register: Marriages 1901 - 1914, Page 157, Entry 313
Source: LDS Film 1546108

katqueen

katqueen Report 21 Dec 2016 19:22

Sorry not to have got back to you quicker but I have been unable to get on line, Your information safc is perfect and I know this info to be correct now that I have John Guy's correct middle name. Very many thanks.

mgnv

mgnv Report 24 Dec 2016 13:34

Births Sep 1888 (>99%)
GUY John William W. Derby 8b 466

Births Jun 1889 (>99%)
Francis Phoebe W. Derby 8b 390

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
FRANCIS, PHOEBE MCCARTY Order
GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 390
GUY, JOHN WILLIAM - Order
GRO Reference: 1888 S Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 466

John's dad could have been George the jailer, but his last name was unlikely to be Guy

1891 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:73FB-XPZ
Thomas Frances Head M 28 Lancashire, England Coal Heaver
Alice Frances Wife F 26 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Mary A Frances Daughter F 8 Lancashire, England
Thomas Frances Son M 4 Lancashire, England
Phobe Frances Daughter F 2 Lancashire, England
Isabella Shaw Sister F 30 Lancashire, England
Eliza Shaw Sister F 0 Lancashire, England
Mary A Frances Mother In Law F 59 Lancashire, Nr Chester
Phobie Frances Sister F 19 Lancashire, England

Maybe
1891 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7389-NMM
Margaret Wellesley Head F 40 Lancashire, England
Joseph Wellesley Son M 15 Lancashire, England
Lilly Wellesley Daughter F 11 Lancashire, England
Sarah Oliver Boarder F 32 Lancashire, England
Mary Guy Boarder F 30 Lancashire, England Single Laundress
John Guy Boarder M 2 Lancashire, England


Using http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1912
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
GUY John W FRANCIS Phoebe Kirkdale, St. Aidan Liverpool 2015WD/3/313

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1881
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
FRANCIS Thomas MCCARTHY Alice J Liverpool, St. Alban Liverpool 2017LP/3/247


Using http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
Marriage: 27 Feb 1881 St Alban, Liverpool, Lancs.
Thomas Francis - 20 years, Carter, Bachelor, Burlington St.
Alice Jane McCarthy - 19 years, Spinster, Burlington St.
Groom's Father: Thomas Francis, Carter
Bride's Father: Robert McCarthy, Mariner
Witness: William Mayor; Florence Mayor, (X)
Married by Banns by: F. A. Power M. A. Vicar
Register: Marriages 1875 - 1886, Page 124, Entry 247
Source: LDS Film 1656147

katqueen

katqueen Report 28 Dec 2016 17:47

mgnv------ Thankyou so much for taking the trouble to fin all this info. Have not been back on genes since Christmas so have only just seen it . It all ties in nicely with the rest of my research so thanks again and a happy new year to you.

mgnv

mgnv Report 28 Dec 2016 20:09

Thought I'ld check LancsBMD to find out the mid-names, but they don't give them in this sibdistrict.
We do learn the births wre all rego'ed in the Kirkdale subdistrict of West Derby RD.

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1913
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference
1913 GUY Mabel S Kirkdale Liverpool KIRK/176/29
1915 GUY John T Kirkdale Liverpool KIRK/184/94
1918 GUY Robert D Kirkdale Liverpool KIRK/196/64

Unfortunately the new GRO index only goes up to 1915:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
GUY, MABEL SARAH FRANCIS Order
GRO Reference: 1913 J Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 736
GUY, JOHN THOMAS FRANCIS Order
GRO Reference: 1915 M Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 811