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Could anyone help please with information on John S Bird born 1871 Norfolk UK my great grandfather. I don't know what the S stands for, usually the names of ancestors are carried down the line but cant find an S in the family tree and I cant find the date of his death.

Many Thanks
Sandy

Hi Sandy

If he is your great grandfather then I guess you know who he married?

Suggest you look for the marriage on FreeBMD:

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

A lot of the marriages are showing two Forenames.

Regards
Christine

In your tree on genes you have him as born 1872 in Wood Norton, so this birth?

Births Mar 1872
Bird John Aylsham 4b 79

(Birth could be at end of 1871, and registered in 1872)

He seems to be in several censuses without the S, this is the 1901 where he is recorded as John S
John S Bird
Age: 29 Estimated birth year: abt 1872 Relation to Head: Son Gender: Male
Father: George Bird
Mother: Matilda Bird
Birth Place: Woodnortton, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Handsworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Handsworth Woodhouse St James Town: Woodhouse
County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England
Registration district: Sheffield Sub-registration district: Handsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 06 Piece: 4389 folio: 27 Page Number: 45 Household schedule number: 278
George Bird 52
Matilda Bird 54
John S Bird 29
Sarah Bird 23
Florence E Bird 32 dau-in-law
Leah Bird 2/12
Class: RG13; Piece: 4389; Folio: 27; Page: 45

No S in 1881 or 1911.

No S on marriage
Marriages Sep 1900
Bird John Rotherham 9c 1128
Nash Florence Rotherham 9c 1128
(Also no E for Florence on marriage but has gained it for the census)

One below...

Chris :)

Baptism
County Norfolk
Place Wood Norton
Church name All Saints
Register type Transcript
Register entry number 516
Baptism date 03 Feb 1872
Person forename John
Father forename George
Father surname BIRD
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Matilda

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

(from above free link)


County Norfolk
Place Wood Norton
Church name All Saints
Register type Transcript
Marriage date 16 Jul 1870
Groom forename George
Groom surname BIRD
Groom age 21
Groom condition Single
Groom abode Wood Norton
Groom occupation Labourer
Bride forename Matilda
Bride surname ALISON
Bride age 23
Bride condition Single
Bride abode Wood Norton
Bride occupation Servant
Groom father forename John
Groom father surname BIRD
Groom father occupation Labourer
Bride father forename Edward
Bride father surname ALISON
Bride father occupation Labourer
Witness Robert RISBOROUGH
Witness Margaret ALISON
Register note Groom signed his name; Bride signed with an X; Married by Banns

(more Baptisms of children on link)


BIRD, JOHN (ALISON)
GRO Reference: 1872 M Quarter in AYLSHAM Volume 04B Page 79

Is the 1901 census the only time that he is recorded as John S Bird?

The 1911 shows Florence as Florence Eliza Nash from Coleford, so this birth:

Births Jun 1869)
Nash Florence Eliza Monmouth 11a 31

but John records himself and signs as John Bird.

Do you know if Florence died in Yorkshire, whilst John returned to Norfolk - they do not appear to be together in 1939?

Added:
Correction, they might both be together in Kiveton Park, just the record appears to be locked - can anyone with FMP have a look?

This death for Florence?
Florence E Bird
Birth Date: abt 1868
Date of Registration: Sep 1950
Age at Death: 82
Registration district: Rother Valley
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 2c
Page: 518

There is probate for the will, to Joseph Edwin Furness, worth getting the will?

This death for John?

Deaths Mar 1948
Bird John 78 Rotherham 2c 661

(daughter from 1911 perhaps)

Deaths Dec 1916 (>99%)
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Bird Edith 14 Sheffield 9c 610


Burial
BIRD, Edith (wife of John Bird, Miner, age 14).
Died at Sheffield Hospital; Buried on December 31, 1916 in Unconsecrated ground;
Grave Number 53, Section R of Woodhouse Stradbroke Road Cemetery, Sheffield.

http://www.sheffieldindexers.com/

(think should be Daughter of!)

Chris :)

28 December 1920 - Sheffield Independent - Sheffield, South Yorkshire

IN MEMORIAM
BIRD - In cherished memory of Edith, the devoted daughter of Mr and Mrs. Bird, 42, Station road, Woodhouse. Passed away, December 26, 1916. Never forgotten.

(as below for Kiveton Park)

Chris :)

1939 Register (Find My Past)

3 Nursery Crescent , Kiveton Park R.D., Yorkshire (West Riding),
John Bird 27 Dec 1871 Male General Labourer Sewage Desposed Works Married
Florence E Bird 13 May 1868 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married


England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Florence Eliza
Last name Nash
Gender Female
Baptism year 1869
Baptism date 15 Jun 1869
Place Newland
County Gloucestershire
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Nash
Mother's first name(s) Eliza


(other daughter perhaps)

Marriages Sep 1925 (>99%)
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Bird Leah Staton Sheffield 9c 1077
Staton Joseph H Bird Sheffield 9c 1077


1939 Register (Find My Past)

41 Coalbrook Grove , Rotherham R.D., Yorkshire (West Riding),
Joseph H Staton 29 Nov 1899 Male Railway Signalman Married
Leah Staton 15 Jan 1900 Female Unpaid Domestgic Duties Married


Deaths Dec 1976 (>99%)
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STATON LEAH 15JA1901 SHEFFIELD 3 1357


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(relates)

(would like to add also, with thoughts of Julie. RIP)