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Hi All,


Sorry for not replying sooner...

Shirley... yep I was totally out there thinking about the 1939 when he died in 1924!! How silly of me! I was actually meaning the 1911....

Name Bertha Bowen
Age in 1911 30
Estimated Birth Year abt 1881
Relation to Head Head
Gender Female
Birth Place Winterbourne
Civil parish Winterbourne
Search Photos Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
County/Island Gloucestershire
Country England
Street Address Old Manor Cottage, Winterbourne Hill Nr Bristol
Marital Status Married
Occupation Tailoress
Registration district Bristol
Registration District Number 320
Sub-registration district Winterbourne
ED, institution, or vessel 8
Household schedule number 169
Piece 15114
Household Members
Name Age
Bertha Bowen 30
Auther Bowen 6
Lilly Smart 22

So Bertha is there with son Arthur and a relative Lilly ( Smart her maiden name)
states as married but no Charles.

on the marriage parish record is the following info...

No375 31st October 1903:
Charles Bowen 25 Bachelor Labourer Winterbourne John Bowen Labourer
Bertha Elizabeth Smart 23 Spinster - Winterbourne Albert Smart Miner
Solemnised between us Charles Bowen & Bertha Elizabeth Smart by ATS Goodrick, Rector
In the presence of us Thomas Harmer & Beatrice Maud Curtis after Banns


So Gwyn in Kent - I am unsure if this is the right Charles as there is no middle name and he states his dad is John on his marriage record.

Alviegal - I think this is definitely Bertha in 1939. Like you say years are birth are out but the address seems right....

Any help with Charles would be gratefully received.

Could this be Harold with mother, Bertha in 1939? I know the years of birth are out though.

Bowen Household (2 People) 3 Pengarreg Road , Llantrisant and Llantwit Fardre R.D., Glamorganshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Harold Bowen 06 Jan 1916 Male Brick Worker Single 251 2
Bertha Bowen 15 Jan 1887 Female Domestic Duties Unpaid Widowed 251 1

Well he was def still around !!!!

Births Sep 1915
Bowen Florence H Smart Pontypridd 11a 1214
Births Mar 1917
Bowen Harold L Smart Pontypridd 11a 1096

Marriages Dec 1903

Bowen Charles Barton R. ....... 6a 479 <<<<<<<<
COWLES George Henry Barton R. 6a 479
SMART Bertha Elizabeth Barton R. 6a 479 <<<<<<<
SMART Florence Louisa Barton R. 6a 479

There's another thread about Bertha.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1366060?page=1

I can't seem to spot the 1903 marriage parish record between Chales Bowen and Bertha Elizabeth Smart.

What further details does it give regarding the father John Bowen? His occupation?

Where was Charles living at the time of the marriage, his occupation and who were the witnesses?

Perhaps you could post the marriage parish record for us Squeaky.

Gwyn in Kent

Charles Christopher's father is William in the 1881 census.

Well spotted Prickles!! I didn't notice her.


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Winterbourne, Barton Regis, Gloucestershire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Hannah Bisp Head Widow Female 66 1835 - Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
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Edward Bisp Son Single Male 25 1876 Stone Mason Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
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Bertha Smart Visitor Single Female 20 1881 Tailoress Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England

???

Births Jun 1878
Bowen Charles Christopher.... Clun.... 6a 626


GRO shows mother's maiden name as WHITINGAM

If you check out the image of the 1901 census that Alviegal posted, you will see that Bertha Smart also appears on that census as a "Visitor" with Hannah Bisp and son Edward Bisp.

Bertha in 1911?


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Winterbourne Hill Near Bristol, Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Bertha Bowen Wife Married Female Tailore'ss 30 1881 Winterbourne
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Auther Bowen Son Single Male School 6 1905 Winterbourne
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Lilly Smart Lodger Single Female Tailor'Ess 22 1889 Winterbourne

He won't be with Bertha on the .1939 register if he died in 1924!!!

This one is in the correct place.


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Winterbourne, Barton Regis, Gloucestershire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Harmer Head Married Male 61 1840 General Labourer Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
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Pamela Harmer Wife Married Female 58 1843 - Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
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Fanny Harmer Daughter Single Female 34 1867 - Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
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Thomas Harmer Son Single Male 21 1880 Stone Dresser Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
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Charles Bowen Boarder Single Male 23 1878 Black Smiths Striker Bucknell, Shropshire, England

Charles Bowen born around 1879.

Married Bertha Elizabeth Smart in 1903 in St Michael's parish church, Winterbourne, Gloucestershire.

Died 1924 in County Asylum, Bridgend , Glamorgan.

On the marriage parish record he names his father as John Bowen.

I am trying to add on this but cannot find anything.

I'm wondering if he isnt with Bertha on the 1939 because he is in the asylum that he ended up dying in.

struggling but not sure how or where to start.

Would really appreciate any help.