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Looking for parents of Michael John O'Brien

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Deborah

Deborah Report 4 Sep 2019 16:59

I am trying to find information regarding the parents and possible Grand Parents of Michael John O'Brien.
Michael John was born 18 Dec 1922, Glamorgan, and died Dec 1997 Glamorgan, he was married to Megan Lewis, 17 June 1922 to 10 Oct 2004.
Michael's siblings are Josephine,Patricia, Ronnie,Mary,Justin, I don't need anything on the 6 siblings, as I have found it all on FreeBMD. Although having said that I couldn't find birth record for Ronnie or Justin, but I dont really need it, I did find a birth entry for an Irene, which could be Ronnie, but I dont think so, as she was born in Birkenhead,out of the area, but not impossible, but as I said I don't need it. Its the parents I am struggling with, and possible Grand Parents.

I have a copy of Michael and Megans marriage certificate, they were married 3rd June 1944, his address on the certificate was 2 Union Street, Pontlottyn, fathers name Edward O'Brien, deceased, coal miner, and Megan, 7 Wine Street, Pontlottyn, father was William George Lewis, deceased, coal miner.

Michaels parents, Edward O'Brien, 1887 Ebw Vale, and Julie O'Shea 1884, Merthyr Tydfil. I know the names are right, and I think the births are correct, and I think they married in the last qtr of 1910, Bedwelty.

I cant place Edward and Julia in the 1939 register, I have searched for it.

I did find Edward and Julia in 1911, living at 1 Jones Court, Pontlottyn, with a Michael O'Brien who it would appear is Edwards father. Michael is listed as age 65 and widowed.

I also think I found Michael in the 1891 census, with a wife Mary, both born in Tipperary, but I cant read the address, 4 Bryntyfryd?? and a son Edward. I think this is the same family.

I would just like to find Michael and Megan on the 1939 census, I was told they lived in Farm Road, Pontlottyn, and also to confirm Michael's parents and Grandparents names/details. I think I am on the right track but cant prove it.

Any help would be very gratefully appreciated.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 4 Sep 2019 17:11

Michael’s death was after they stopped updating the 1939 register, so his record is probably closed

Ditto Megan

Get a copy of the1910 marriage cert for names of both fathers.

Deborah

Deborah Report 4 Sep 2019 17:19

Yes I can do that, thank you ErikaH, and thank you for the information about the 1939 register.

malyon

malyon Report 4 Sep 2019 17:20

my husband died 1999 and he is in the 1939 reg he was born 1937 also my mum died 1997 and is on the reg 1939

Deborah

Deborah Report 4 Sep 2019 17:22

Thank you malyon, that's interesting.

malyon

malyon Report 4 Sep 2019 17:33

Michael John O'brien
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Collections from
Great Britain, Wales
Country
Wales
County
Glamorganshire
Year
1997
Birth Year
1922
Event Quarter
4
District
Merthyr Tydfil

malyon

malyon Report 4 Sep 2019 17:38

michael was reg in 1923 1st quarter having been born in december 1922

Michael J O'brien
England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Collections from
Great Britain, Wales
Country
Wales
County
Glamorganshire
Year
1923
Birth Year
1923
Event Quarter
1
District
Merthyr Tydfil

Deborah

Deborah Report 4 Sep 2019 17:45

Thank you malyon, I did in fact get so frustrated that I ordered Michaels birth certificate as well, it shows him as being born at 27 farm Road, Pontlottyn, mothers name Julia O'Brien formally Shea, she obviously dropped the "O" at some time. (O'Shea). Fathers name Edwards O'Brien.

Deborah

Deborah Report 4 Sep 2019 17:53

I think that if I do what Erikah said and order the 1910 marriage certificate I should get a bit more information.

The family now are all things Welsh, but there was talk of someone somewhere, way back, being born in Ireland, so I was not surprised to find (if I am on the right track) that Michael and Mary were born in Ireland. The 1911 census shows that Michael and Mary had 7 children, 6 died, I am assuming for now that the surviving child was Edward.

Maddie

Maddie Report 4 Sep 2019 18:42

EDWARD
Last name O'BRIEN
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1910
Registration month -

MarriageFinder ™


EDWARD O'BRIEN married one of these people

Julia O'shea, Flossie R White
District Bedwellty
District number -
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Volume 11A
Volume as transcribed 11A
Page number 239

Deborah

Deborah Report 4 Sep 2019 18:47

Julia O'Shea was definitely the lady he married.

Deborah

Deborah Report 4 Sep 2019 18:47

Julia O'Shea was definitely the lady he married.

Maddie

Maddie Report 4 Sep 2019 18:54

????????
1911

Margaret Jones Wife Married Female 22 1889 - Merthyr Vale Glam
Michael O Brien Lodger Widower Male 65 1846 Light Giver Belowground Spear Hireland
Edward O Brien Lodger Married Male 24 1887 Haulier Below Ground Ebbw Vale Mon
Julia O Brien Lodger Married Female 21 1890 - Merthyr Glam1911 Census For England & Wales

children
O'brien Mary 1913 — 1913 England & Wales Births 1837-2006 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, Wales
.
O'brien Michael J 1923 — 1923 England & Wales Births 1837-2006 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, Wales

O'brien Patricia 1921 — 1921 England & Wales Births 1837-2006 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, Wales

O'brien Ann 1931 — 1931 England & Wales Births 1837-2006 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, Wales

O'brien Peter 1929 — 1929 England & Wales Births 1837-2006 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, Wales


O'brien Veronica 1919 — 1919 England & Wales Births 1837-2006 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, Wales

O'brien William J 1925 — 1925 England & Wales Births 1837-2006 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, Wales

1891
Brynhyfryd Row, Bedwellty, Monmouthshire, Wales
name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Michael Obrien Head Married Male 44 1847 Furnace Labourer Ireland
Mary A Obrien Wife Married Female 30 1861 - Ireland
Edward Obrien Son - Male 6 1885 Scholar Monmouthshire, WalesBrynhyfryd Row, Bedwellty, Monmouthshire, Wales

Deborah

Deborah Report 4 Sep 2019 19:03


Do you have the address for this census Maddie. This looks interesting.

Deborah

Deborah Report 4 Sep 2019 19:07

I wonder if Ronnie is the Veronica 1919, posted above.

Deborah

Deborah Report 4 Sep 2019 19:09

Also am wondering if William J, was Justin. If so, it would explain why I couldn't find their births.

I was told Justin was the youngest.

Maddie

Maddie Report 4 Sep 2019 19:14

SORRY HERE IT IS
Jones Court Board St Pontlottyn, Gelligaer, Glamorganshire, Wales

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 4 Sep 2019 19:25

Looking on below, have you found the Birth of Edward?...

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Chris :)

(did see below, in case he related)

Burial
County Monmouthshire
Place Bedwellty
Church name St Sannan
Register type Parish Register
Burial date 15 Sep 1881
Burial person forename Michael
Burial person surname O'BRIEN
Person age 2y
Burial person abode Pontlottyn

https://www.freereg.org.uk/


(if him below, not familiar with Welsh places!)

Deaths Sep 1881 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------------
O'Brian Michael 2 Merthyr T. 11a 204

Birth
O'BRIAN, MICHAEL DONOVAN
GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in OF CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 307

(also)

Birth
O'BRIEN, WILLIAM JOHN OCONNER
GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 86

Burial
County Monmouthshire
Place Bedwellty
Church name St Sannan
Register type Parish Register
Burial date 04 Mar 1882
Burial person forename William
Burial person surname O'BRIEN
Person age 2m
Burial person abode Pontlottyn

Maddie

Maddie Report 4 Sep 2019 19:33

1881
Name: Michael Brian
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Johanna Brian
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Gelligaer
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: 24 King Street
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Laborer In Iron Works
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub Registration District: Gelligaer
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors:
Piece: 5307
Folio: 60
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
Michael Brian 30
Johanna Brian 31
Alice Brian 11
Mary Brian 7
William Brian 4
Michael Brian 2
Patrick Milkai 40
John Sullivan 39
Michael Cummins 24

daughter alice
Name: Alice Brien
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 28 Jun 1870
Birth Place: Waterford, Ireland
Father: Michael Brien
Mother: Johanna Burns
FHL Film Number: 101213

Deborah

Deborah Report 4 Sep 2019 19:33

Maddie. Thats what I came up with, 1911 was Jones Court, and the 1891 Brynhyfryd.