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4 Oct 1837 Hereford Journal

On Wednesday last was married, at St John's the Baptist, by the Rev J Garbett A.M. Mr William Davies, coachbuilder to Mrs Elizabeth Coney, both of this city.

The marriage could have been before Civil Registration came in.

Alfred’s age was 13 on 30th March 1851 (census date) so his birth would have been no later than that date in 1838……..assuming his age was accurate, of course.

I thought of obtaining the marriage cert but, chances are, I'd have the wrong one first. I've tried looking at baptisms but no luck there either.

Annie

As there were no penalties for not registering births, odds are they weren’t registered

Try ;looking for baptisms - although they would be unlikely to give you MMN

Marriages Sep 1837 (>99%)
BUTT Stephen Hereford 26 179 Scan available - click to view
BUTT Stephen Hereford 26 179 Scan available - click to view
CONEY Elizabeth Hereford 26 179 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
COOPER William Hereford 26 179 Scan available - click to view
COOPER William Heeford 26 179 Scan available - click to view
DANCE Elizabeth Hereford 26 179 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
DAVIES William Hereford 26 179 Scan available - click to view
DAVIES William Hereford 26 179 Scan available - click to view
WEST Esther Hereford 26 179 Scan available - click to view
WEST Ester Hereford 26 179 Scan available - click to view
WEST Esther Hereford 26 179 Scan available - click to view

do you have the marriage cert to see who william married

William, born in 1816 in Eardesley, Herefordshire and Elizabeth Davies had seven children. They were (probably) married in 1837 in Herefordshire or Radnorshire where Elizabeth came from originally and she was probably either Elizabeth Coney or Dance. I have looked into the Dance name and it seems she married a Stephen Butt. I have been unable to find the births of any of the children with either maiden name. I've tried Ancestry, Find My Past, Free BMD, Family Search and the GRO. According to the censuses, these were the children:

Alfred 1838 Clifford, Herefordshire
Thomas 1841 Breconshire
Elizabeth 1850 Bedwellty
James 1843 Blaina, Monmouthshire
William 1845 Bedwellty
Edward 1847 Bedwellty
Mary Ann 1851 Bedwellty

Bedwellty was an area, not a registration district until 1861 so they can't have that as a registration place. It's possible it was Monmouth or Abergavenny. Mary Ann was my husband's great-grandmother and we know her marriage, death and burial but have never managed to find her birth record. I even wondered if Elizabeth had been married more than once and Coney or Dance were previous married names but she was born in 1817 so that's very unlikely.

I'd be glad if someone with not much to do on another rainy day would take a look, please. Sometimes the more you look the less you see so apologies if I've missed something obvious.

Annie