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HELP!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!

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David Report 6 Dec 2007 23:00

If anybody could give me any help, it would be very much appreciated as i think i have hit another brick wall. A couple of weeks ago i found out that i had a completely wrong family in my tree so for 10 years i'd been searching for Mary Downs in Sheffield when there wasn't actually one and the Mary Downs i should of been looking for was born in Leeds about 1849. I have her on the 1851 and 1861 census living with her mother Ann and father William, both born in Ireland. Mary Downs then married Patrick Fogerty in 1868, they had a daughter Margaret about 1869 born in Leeds and a son William born about 1870 also in Leeds. Both Margaret and William can be found on the 1871 census living with there grandmother. There is however no trace of Mary Foggerty on the 1871 census and it is thought that Patrick Fogerty is in prison in Leeds (if it's the right one that is). Mary's mother died in 1872 and then there is no trace of the family on any other census but i know for a fact that my Great grandmother was born 15/01/1886 in Leeds, her name was Florence Butler Fogerty. If anyone has any suggestions i'd very much love to hear them.

Kind regards



Freda Report 6 Dec 2007 23:22

Hello Danielle

I have found Mary Ann in the 1901 Census .
Mary Ann Fogerty is a Widow and is a Shuttlecock Maker
Florence is down as Florrie Butler (Florrie Butler)
Age 15 Leeds Yorkshire 1886
They are living at 11 Bovidency Yard
Let me know if you need any more help.


David Report 6 Dec 2007 23:27

Hi Freda

Thank you very much for your quick response. Does it say how old Mary is and very abouts is Bovidency Yard?

Kind regards



Freda Report 6 Dec 2007 23:40


Mary is 47 and living in Leeds, so I assume that is where 11 Bovidencey Yard is.
I could have spelt the address wrong, because it is quite badly written.


David Report 6 Dec 2007 23:47

Hi Freda

That sounds about right, thank you. Although age difference is of six years but it has to be the one. Is there anything on 1891 census please i've been on to GR search records and typed in Mary Fogerty about 1849 +/- 2 years and it brings up one in Leigh, atherton. I can't view results though as i am not a member. It does same for Patrick Fogerty, may be just a coincidense though.




imp Report 6 Dec 2007 23:59

Think this might be the one you found, children all born Tyldesley, Lancs

Mary Fogerty
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Patrick
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Tyldesley With Shakerley
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Tyldesley
County/Island: Lancashire

Street address: 13 New Bank Street

Registration district: Leigh
Sub-registration district: Atherton

Bridget Fogerty 15
Catherine Fogerty 7
Elizabeth Fogerty 4
Margaret Fogerty 15
Mary Fogerty 40
Mary Fogerty 10
Patrick Fogerty 40 Colliery Watchman
Thomas Fogerty 13
William Fogerty 2
Patrick Gladson 27 Lodger



David Report 7 Dec 2007 00:10

Hi Gail

Thanks for taking the time and looking but it can't be the one as Mary and Patrick already have a 22 year old daughter called Margaret and a 21 year old son called William, also Florence isn't on there and she should be 5 years old. Thanks again for your time.

Kind regards



imp Report 7 Dec 2007 00:31

Hi Danielle

The 1871 census is a bit odd as these are the people - Margaret A, daughter, married, and Margaret, daughter, unmarried.....surely she did not have two daughters names Margaret .. should Margaret A be Mary A do you think.......? (or is Margaret A the wife of a son?)

Ann Downes 48 Head,
Margaret Downes 18 Daughter
Margaret A Downes 20 Daughter, Married
Maria Downes 13 Daughter
Margaret A Fougerty 2 Granddaughter
William Fougerty 11 months Grandson


Mhairi Queen of Scots

Mhairi Queen of Scots Report 7 Dec 2007 00:36

1891...kinda confuses the whole issue. Do you have Florence's birth cert?

Name: Mary Ann Downs
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:


Condition as to marriage: Widow


Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: North Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Flora Butler 5 - Niece
Louisa Butler 1 - Niece
Sarah Butler 10 - Niece
Thomas Butler 53 - Brother - Widow
Mary Ann Downs 40

All where born in Leeds according to the census.


imp Report 7 Dec 2007 00:38

1881 - seems to be a possible.....

Margrett A. Fanherty
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Boarder
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire,

Civil Parish: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire

Street address: No.23 Busfield St

Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: North Leeds

Thomas Butler 42 Head, Butcher, born Leeds - Married
Emma B. Fanherty 1 Scholar born Leeds
Margrett A. Fanherty 12 Scholar born Leeds
Mary A. Fanherty 31 Housekeeper, Widow, born Leeds, Shuttlecock Maker
William Fanherty 10 Scholar born Leeds

Class: RG11; Piece: 4517; Folio: 88; Page: 11; Line: ; GSU roll: 1342084.


Emma B birth registration -
Emma Butler Foggarty 1879 Q4 Leeds
Volume: 9b
Page: 513


imp Report 7 Dec 2007 00:59

1901 census

Sarah B Fogerty
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Niece
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Yorkshire

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: West Leeds

Charles Butler 1
Edward Butler 5
Ernest Butler 9
Joseph Butler 39
Polly Butler 16
Samuel Butler 13
Sarah E Butler 37
Sarah B Fogerty 19

Class: RG13; Piece: 4229; Folio: 128; Page: 13.



imp Report 7 Dec 2007 01:20

A possible marriage for Margaret.

Margaret Ann Foggerty 1887 Q1 Leeds
Volume: 9b
Page: 507

Francis Lowley or Harry Darlow on same page.



David Report 7 Dec 2007 08:23

Hi couldbe and Mhaira queen of scots

Those are perfect thank you, it's amazing what you can do when you know what you're doing. These are all the right one's, still no mention of Patrick though but it'll all come together.

Once again thank you for all your hard work.

Kind regards



David Report 13 Dec 2007 20:13

Thanks to everyone who has helped me out on this thread although i am still very baffled about this side of the family. I have now come to the conclusion that Patrick Fogerty died but that Mary never got re-married but was having more children to another man and that is why they were known as Butler and Fogerty.




imp Report 13 Dec 2007 20:34

Hi Danielle

Yes does seem a bit confusing but at least she gave the children the names of Butler and Fogarty which makes life easier tracking

Good luck with the rest.