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It would be appreciated if anyone could assist in finding Arthur James Harrison born circa 1850, birth place Walworth,Surrey,England. I cannot find him in the Census from 1871,1861,1851,1841.
I as far as I am Aware the Family stayed in the area. I would like to search records of where he went to school say in 1860, I am assuming that somewhere there would be a record of his Father and Mother and where they lived at the time of his Registration at aschool. His marriage certificate states his Father as Arthur James Harrison, deceased. Therefore a dead end. My cousins parents and mine have all passed on, so no elderely relative alive to help us. :-)

where did you get the information on his age and birthplace from?

How accurate is it??

I presume this is him in 1911

Name: Arthur James Harrison
Age in 1911: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: WALWORTH, England
Civil Parish: Newington St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 34 Boyson Rd SE
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: HOUSE PAINTER ETC
Registration District: Southwark
Registration District Number: 23
Sub-registration District: Newington South
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 1830

Arthur James Harrison 60
Mary Ann Harrison 57
Arthur James Harrison 17
Daisy Louisa Harrison 16


and in 1881

Name: Arthur J. Harrison
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Mary Ann Harrison
Gender: Male
Where born: Walworth

Civil Parish: Newington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 2 Amelia Place
Marital Status: Married

Occupation: Waiter (Inn)

Registration District: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration District: St Mary Newington
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 552
Folio: 124
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur J. Harrison 30
Mary Ann Harrison 28
Arthur J. Harrison 7
Robert J. Harrison 5
Mary A. Harrison 1
Harry Moaks 21

When did he marry?

Who did he marry?

This marriage??

Arthur James Harrison
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Elizabeth King
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 30 Nov 1873
Parish: Walworth St John the Evangelist
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Arthur James Harrison (deceased)
Spouse Father Name: Joseph King
Register Type: Parish Register

I can't make out his occupation though.

2nd marriage, he is a widower:

Arthur James Harrison
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Bird
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 21 Apr 1878
Parish: Walworth St John the Evangelist
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Arthur James Harrison
Spouse Father Name: Harry Bird
Register Type: Parish Register

I think the occupation is cellarman.

There is conflicting info on birth place, in 1891 it's Lambeth and 1901 Newington. There's no sign of a christening for him, that I can see, nor is there a birth reg for his full name (although not compulsory at that time).

I wonder if the father really existed, and whether his birth name was actually Arthur James or just plain Arthur.

A tree on ancestry is showing his mother as Amelia Harrison and this census:

James Harrison
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Ammeli Harrison
Gender: Male
Where born: Surrey, England
Civil Parish: St Mary Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration District: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration District: St Mary Newington
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household Schedule Number: 300
Piece: 622
Folio: 20
Page Number: 40
Household Members: Name Age
Ammeli Harrison 39
James Harrison 28 (born Surrey, a porter, and age is 20 on image)
George Cramp 35 (boarder, a waiter)

Amelia Harrison
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Harrison
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Kent Road, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Newington
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration District: Newington
Sub-registration District: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 46
Piece: 1568
Folio: 388
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
James Harrison 30
Amelia Harrison 20
James Harrison 11 Mo

If this is right, I can't spot Amelia in 1861, but she re-married:

Amelia Harrison
Spouse Name: William Nicholson Parker
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Feb 1873
Parish: Walworth St John the Evangelist
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: James Startin
Spouse Father Name: William Parker
Register Type: Parish Register

I can't spot a marriage for Amelia Startin to Harrison though.

Marriages Jun 1870 (>99%)
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HARRISON Amelia St Saviour 1d 29
West Richard St Saviour 1d 29


http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=650545.0

(somebody researching on above)

Chris :)

The 1871 census that Flip has posted above is for 9. Ellis's Square.

9 Ellis's Square is where Arthur James was living when he married Elizabeth King in 1873.

Thanks Christina I missed the address, so I guess that is the right person. Wonder where the Arthur came from, both census show him as James and his father as James as well.

Hello Ian and welcome to the Community boards. :-)






I'll send Ian a message to let him know he has replies. :-)

???


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Emelia Startin
Name: Emelia Startin
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 1 Aug 1830
Father's Name: James Startin
Mother's Name: Eliza Startin
Parish or Poor Law Union: Newington St Mary
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

I wonder if this is Arthur James' sister. The address given is 9, Ellis's Square

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name:
Amelia Harrison
Spouse Name:
Richard West
Record Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
5 Jun 1870
Parish:
Newington St Mary
Borough:
Southwark
Father Name:
James Harrison
Spouse Father Name:
Richard West
Register Type:
Parish Register

EDIT: Sorry Chris Ho, I've just realised that you've already posted this marriage.

Guess Amelia (1853) is AJs sister:

Amelia West
[Amelia Parker]
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: Richard West
Mother: Emelia Parker
Gender: Female
Where born: Newington, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Newington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 9 Ellis's Sq
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration District: St Mary Newington
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 552
Folio: 128
Page Number: 43
Household Members: Name Age
Richard West 35
Amelia West 28
Richard G. West 9
Amelia C. West 8
Frederick West 4
Alfred H. West 3
Ellen E. West 1
Richard West 65 (father)
Emelia Parker 50 (mother in law) listed as married

Hi Ian

It would be much better to reply on your thread, rather than send private messages.

Ian has confirmed the two marriages for Arthur James, and the later details, and thinks the 1881 census is a possibility because of the address.

Ian, to reply on your thread click in the "Add your reply" box below this posting and type in your remarks. Then click on the Submit button.

Arthur James Harrison married Elizabeth King 30th November 1873 Marriage solemnized at St.Johns Church in the Parish of St.Johns Walworth in the County of Surrey,England. Her Father is Joseph King occupation a Brewer, his family are from Sudbury,Suffolk, their family were silk weavers. Arthur was living at 9 Ellis's Square, his father deceased at time of marriage, witnesses to the marriage are Richard West and Elizabeth Mitchels.
Arthur James Harrison was a widower at time of second marriage to Mary Ann Bird marriage date 21st April 1878 Marriage solemnized at St.Johns Church in the Parish of St.Johns Walworth in the County of Surrey,England. Arthur was living at 11 Ellis's Square at the time of second marriage. His occupation was a cellarman.Her father Harry Bird was a perambulator maker.Witness to the marriage was Harry Bird and Louisa Winter.
I am still of the view if one could view a school register to locate his parents,I am assuming there were records kept around 1860 which he would be about 10years of age, as census records are coming up blank. :-)

Hi Ian, welcome back to your thread!

I don't actually think either of them went to school, there are no school admission records on ancestry for either Arthur James (or just James or just Arthur) or Amelia. In addition, Amelia was not able to write when she married - she made her mark.

(no worries Christina, it came up on the link posted, also the below)

Death
Name: HARRISON, James
Registration district: [?] St. George Southwark
County: London
Year of registration: 1851
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Volume no: 4
Page no: 378


Name: James Harrison
Record Type: Burial
Estimated Death Date: abt 1851
Burial Date: 24 Dec 1851
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Parish or Poor Law Union: Walworth St Peter
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Register
(abode, Brandon Street)

Same address as 1851.

Chris :)

(in answer to pm from Ian, Amelia would be his sister)


Births Jun 1852 (>99%)
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Harrison Amelia Newington 1d 190