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Tennant and Picthall Info

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Mike *

Mike * Report 10 Nov 2010 21:45

In 1881 she is a boarder so not with parents.
Try the 1871 census, she would only be a baby.

EDIT.
Andrew to the rescue.
Cheers

Catherine

Catherine Report 10 Nov 2010 21:49

Wonder if this is Mary in 1861?
Name: Mary Ann Pickthall
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Urswick, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Urswick
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: Housemaid

Registration district: Ulverston
Sub-registration district: Dalton
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 45
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Smith 30
Henry Gorden Smith 7 MO
Ellen Cook 42
Jane Brockelbank 32
Mary Ann Fuke 28
Mary Ann Pickthall 16
John Dixon 24
Thomas Woodend 26

Mark

Mark Report 10 Nov 2010 21:50

Thanks Catherine ......

Catherine

Catherine Report 10 Nov 2010 21:51

1871 is already on the other page!

Mike *

Mike * Report 10 Nov 2010 21:54

So it is Catherine.
Sorry didn't recognise it in that format.

**Ann**

**Ann** Report 10 Nov 2010 22:07

Cumbria Record Office and Local Studies Library, Barrow, 140 Duke Street, Barrow-in-Furness, Cumbria LA14 1XW. Holdings include: Births register (1866-1948); Deaths register (1866-1916); Punishments register (1874-1923); etc


Above are the records held for Ulverston workhouse, as you can see...births fall correctly for Agnes.........maybe she was born there??

I went through workhouse records for my area and gained a wealth of info from them, however the above holdings are quite small in comparison, but def worth asking re Agnes, as it may have details of her mother and her circumstances which led to her being taken in.

If this uis your Agnes we have found! lol

Annx

Mark

Mark Report 10 Nov 2010 22:20

Thanks Ann,, Will take a look when i get the chance to go...

**Ann**

**Ann** Report 10 Nov 2010 22:30

mark,

With the not so common surname a phone call may do the trick, they may be kind enough to do you a lookup circa 1870/71.

Annx

Alan Michael

Alan Michael Report 29 Jan 2014 23:35

Hello all who are researching Picthall Tennant I am new to this game and fell over it quite by accident and after reading some of the posts decided to join the reasons being I know some of the names mentioned .
My grandfather was John Picthall Tennant my grandmother was ????? Picthall Tennant and is buried in St Stephens cemetery Banks .
My name is Alan Tennant if the information I have given here is of interest to anyone please get in touch , you may even know me ?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 30 Jan 2014 10:10

Hello Alan, welcome to the community boards.

Given that it's a few years since there was any activity on this thread it's possible that Mark mightn't be checking back for replies - you could click on his name to send a direct message with a view to sharing information.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 30 Jan 2014 10:21

Normally, I'd suggest that Alan start a new thread of his own but seeing as there seems to be a direct connection I hope Mark doesn't mind me adding to it....

It's just that I've noticed on the 1911 census posted on page 1 that there are TWO sons called John Tennant born a year apart:

TENNANT, John Son Single M 16 1895 House Joiner's Apprentice Lancs Southport
TENNANT, John Son Single M 15 1896 Engineer's Apprentice Lancs Lpool

I've checked the census image and there's no mis-transcription. I wondered if one of the John's might be Agnes' son from a previous relationship but on the image it's stated she'd given birth to 1 child, and 1 child had died.

Alan, is one of these John Tennant's the grandfather you refer to and, if so, which one?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 30 Jan 2014 10:27

There's only one John with Samuel in 1901 and it's the one born in Liverpool:

TENNANT, Samuel Head Widower M 33 1868 Bootmaker Lancaster, Lancashire
TENNANT, Jane Daughter F 10 1891 Liverpool, Lancashire
TENNANT, Edward W Son M 9 1892 Liverpool, Lancashire
TENNANT, Samuel Son M 7 1894 Liverpool, Lancashire
TENNANT, John J Son M 5 1896 Liverpool, Lancashire
TENNANT, Florence Daughter F 2 1899 Southport, Lancashire
TENNANT, James Son M 0 (8 MOS) 1901 Southport, Lancashire
HOPPER, Matilda Visitor F 17 1884 Liverpool, Lancashire

Piece: 3540 Folio: 126 Page: 3
Registration District: Ormskirk
Civil Parish: Southport

Address: 135, Bispham Road, Southport County: Lancashire

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 30 Jan 2014 10:50

This is the baptism of Samuel's own son:

Liverpool, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: John Jonathan Tennant
Birth Date: 17 Sep 1895
Baptism Date: 3 Nov 1895
Parish: Kensington, Christ Church
Father's Name: Samuel Tennant - Shoemaker
Mother's Name: Annie Tennant
Reference Number: 283 KEN/2/4

Address looks like 38 Cell? Street.


So who's the other John?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 30 Jan 2014 12:17

pms from Alan (have explained about "Add Reply"):

"Hello Marie in answer to your question My Grandfather was indeed a master carpenter/joiner. As in those days it was I believe comon to name siblings after the names of their parents this may be the reason one of my Aunties was named Agnes!
My fathers name was Lawrence , his Mother ????? Picthall Tennant my real Grandmother died when my father was a boy of 11 a fact that troubled him for the rest of his life !
Thank you for getting in touch , as I'm new to this and that this is my first venture into my past so to speak information & advice would be most welcome & appreciated also if I can be of help to anyone out there please don't hesitate to ask , best regards Alan T."

"Very interesting , I know for a fact that my Grandfather had a brother / sister who were the owners of Tennant,s shoes of Southport .
Of further interest in talking to my mother on this subject they hailed from Burscough and are believed to be interred in the churchyard there ."

Mark

Mark Report 30 Jan 2014 12:28

Just to be clear i will send a PM to Alan

Thanks

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 30 Jan 2014 12:40

Alan, if your grandfather was a master joiner then it was likely that he was the John Tennant born in Southport who appears not to be the natural son of Samuel Tennant (see my comments above) - that's if we are following the right family.

You have question marks for your father's mother's name - have you looked up his birth on a site such as FreeBMD? http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl - if he was born after 1911 then it will show his mother's maiden name.

Then find the marriage between his father and mother using the combination of surnames.

If your father is still alive then we shouldn't post details on here (this isn't a secure site so details of living people are a no-no).

That's the way to work back with accuracy and it's always necessary to order a few certificates along the way - we can explain how to do that when the correct records have been found.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 30 Jan 2014 12:41

Mark - are you happy for us to help Alan on this thread seeing as there appears to be a connection?

Mark

Mark Report 30 Jan 2014 12:45

Yes sure - have reread his message to see how he may be related if its through Picthall this was 2nd wife of my 2x great grandfather.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 30 Jan 2014 12:49

Thanks Mark.

This looks like the marriage of Alan's grandparents:

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1917
Johnson Betty Tennant Ormskirk 8b 1065
Tennant John P Johnson Ormskirk 8b 1065

and the death of his grandmother:

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Betty Tennant
Birth Date: abt 1896
Date of Registration: Dec 1932
Age at Death: 36
Registration District: Ormskirk
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 900

Mark

Mark Report 30 Jan 2014 13:09

I dont have a Betty Tennant 1896 in my treee