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Please can anyone find the following sisters

Mary Jane Clark/e born Haverthwaite, Lancashire 1832
Agnes Clark/e Born Haverthwaite 1.6.1835

They are both on the 1841 census with their mother and siblings ( who I have all info for)
The family are now living in Ulverston....

Jane Clarke 35.......Kendal
Margaret Clarke 11
Mary Clarke 8.....Baptized...1832 Haverthwaite
Agness Clarke 6.....Baptized 1838 Ulverston
Richard Clarke 2

Mother, Margaret and Richard are on 1851 census but not the girls...

I can find nothing after this for either girl.......

Misty x

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1851 England Census
about Agness Clark
Name:Agness Clark
Age:15
Estimated birth year:abt 1836
Relation:Servant
Gender:Female
Where born:Mossid, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:Ulverston
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
Town:Ulverston
County/Island:Lancashire
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district:Ulverstone
Sub-registration district:Cartmel
ED, institution, or vessel:3c
Neighbors:
View others on page
Household schedule number:28
Piece:2274
Folio:411
Page Number:7
Household Members:
Name
Age
Isabella Stephenson 69
Thomas Stephenson 34
Agness Stephenson 30
>>>>>Agness Clark 15

Andy

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Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Mar 1843 (>99%)
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CLARK Mary Ulverston 25 141


Andy

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Name: Andreas Anthonio Boronski
Birth Date: 1826
Birthplace:
Age: 29
Spouse's Name: Agnes Clark
Spouse's Birth Date: 1834
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 21
Event Date: 1855
Event Place: St. Chad, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Father's Name: Adam Boronski
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: John Clark
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M16320-9
System Origin: England-VR
GS Film number: 1484385
Reference ID: 2:1M2T9TP

Thank you Andy

I'm sure the Agness you found in 1851 is the correct one, the given place of birth (on original census) is the same as the address on 1841, so maybe she was born Ulverston....

Death for Mary...I shall get the cert

safc,

Thank you shall follow that marriage through census

Misty x

Maybe not the correct marriage. The image is on Ancestry under BOWNSKI. Her father is listed as John-a farmer. Wasn't her father a mariner?

Maureen

Looks like her baptism



England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975


Name:Agnes Clark

Gender:Female

Birth Date:1 Jun 1835

Baptism Date:7 Oct 1838

Baptism Place:Ulverston, Lancashire, England

Father:
John Clark

Mother:
Jane

FHL Film Number:1471900

Reference ID:item 18 p 478

Hi Maureen

I do believe her father was a mariner, sure I had that info somewhere but can I find it, no!! where did you get it from please....

Thanks Gins....yes I have that

Misty x

Hi Misty,
From LancsOPC:
Baptism: 7 Oct 1838 St Mary, Ulverston, Lancashire, England
Agnes Clark - daughter of John Clark & Jane
Abode: Ulverston
Occupation: Mariner
Baptised by: Richard Gwillym, Minister
Register: Baptisms 1836 - 1841 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 478, Entry 3799
Source: LDS Film 1040310

Maureen

Of Course, thank you Maureen....

I had baptism from Ancestry but knew I had seen Mariner somewhere before!!!!

Misty x

This one has me wondering,but naturally I can't find anyone before or after:
Lancs OPC
Marriage: 19 Apr 1870 St Peter, Fleetwood, Lancashire, England
Joseph Wright - Full Age, Soldier 35th Regt, Bachelor, Fleetwood
Mary Jane Alison Trotter - Full Age, Widow, Fleetwood
Groom's Father: Samuel Wright, Labourer
Bride's Father: John Clarke, Mariner
Witness: Cecilia Leadbetter; Thomas Escoline
Married by Banns by: John T Brien
Register: Marriages 1842 - 1874, Page 199, Entry 398
Source: LDS Film 1470815

And Ancestry:
Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936 about Mary Jane Alison Tratter
Name: Mary Jane Alison Tratter
[Mary Jane Alison Claster]
Gender: Female
Age: of Full Age
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 18 Apr 1870
Parish: Fleetwood, Lancashire, England
Spouse: Joseph Wright
Spouse Age: of Full Age
Father: John Claster
Spouse Father: Samuel Wright
Register Type: Parish Register

England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
about Mary Jane Alison Trotter

Name:
Mary Jane Alison Trotter
[Mary Jane Alison Clark]
Gender:Female
Marital Status:Widowed
Marriage Date:18 Apr 1870
Marriage Place:Fleetwood, Lancashire, England
Father: John Clark

Spouse:
Joseph Wright
FHL Film Number:
1470815

Andy

I guess it's not that one either!!!

Found them in 1871 in Sunderland:
Name: Mary J A Wright
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Tynemouth
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Saviour
Town: Tynemouth
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Tynemouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 196
Piece: 5121
Folio: 86
Page Number: 40
Household Members:
Name Age
Isabella Marshall 12
Margaret Thiton 17
Joseph Wright 38
Mary J A Wright 26
Lucy Jane Wright 2 Months

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 5121; Folio: 86; Page: 40; GSU roll: 847397

Back to the drawing board....

Maureen

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1851


Agness Clark

Age:15
Estimated birth year:abt 1836

Relation:Servant
Where born:Dalton, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish:Pennington


Jacob Rawes 37
Janes Rawes 35
Thomas Rawes 2
Jacob Rawes 5 Mo
Agness Clark 15




Haverthwaite to Dalton is roughly 8 miles

Misty, hang fire a couple of days with ordering the death certificate for 1843 for Mary. She could have been any age & it's a common name.

Lancs-opc only has Ulverston, St Mary deaths to 1841 - but the local RO has them transcribed and on film much later than this. I'm there on Wednesday or Thursday and will check for a burial record.

Mike I think your earlier 1851 census posting is more likely, her mother was still at same address in 1851 and that looks to be where Agnes grew up. Cavenidsh street is about half a mile away in the centre of town.

And there is an Agnes Clark baptised 1837 in Dalton, and living with her dad Timothy in Pennington in 1841, but she is not with her father in 1851 (he's re-married with other children there)

Apologies for slow reply....

Flip, Thank you I would very much appreciate you looking at RO for Mary.

I also think earlier post for Agnes is correct one

Thank you every one who has contributed

Misty x

Probate for Richard George Clark (Agnes brother) is granted to Mathew Beecham Armer of South Villa, Kents Bank, Grange Over Sands, MusicTeacher

1911 England Census about Matthew Beecham Armer
Age in 1911: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Barrow In Furness, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Grange
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: South Villa, Kents Bank, Grange Over Sands
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Musician (teacher)

Name Age
Matthew Armer 73......Retired Shoe Dealer
Agnes Maud Mary Armer 37
Edith Jane Armer 36
Matthew Beecham Armer


Mother of Richard and Agnes Clark is Jane Beecham

Mother of Mathew is Agnes Armer ( nee Clark) born Ulverston......

Marriages Mar 1861
ARMER Matthew Ulverstone 8e 834
Clark Agnes Ulverstone 8e 834


1901 England Census
Name: Agnes Armer
Age: 64
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: Matthew Armer
Birth Place: Ulverston, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Grange
Ecclesiastical parish: Allithwaite St Mary
Town: Kents Bank
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Name Age
Matthew Armer 63
Agnes Armer 64
Maud Armer 27
Edith Armer 26
Matthew Armer 21

So....I thought Agnes was found.....Until, wrong flipping parents!!!

1861 England Census
Name: Matthew Armer
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: 1838
Relation: Brother-in-law (Son in Law on original image)
Gender: Male
Where born: Cartmel, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Dalton
Ecclesiastical parish: Barrow St George
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Ulverston
Sub-registration district: Dalton
Household schedule number: 176
Piece: 3170
Folio: 93
Page Number: 38
Household Members:
Name Age
Tsay Chark 60
Rebecca Chark 65
George Chark 28
Agnes Armer 25
Matthew Armer 23

Think Chark should be Clark looking at original image

And does this fit anywhere.....


Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936
Name: Matthew Armer.....Widower
Gender: Male
Age: 33
Birth Year: abt 1838
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 15 Feb 1871
Parish: Leyland, Lancashire, England
Spouse: Agnes Clark
Spouse Age: 34
Father: Matthew Armer.......Farmer
Spouse Father: John Clark......I think it says Sailor although could be Tailor!!!
Register Type: Parish Register

Any ideas very welcome indeed

Misty x

Edit....so it is the wrong Agnes, I was convinced there was a connection with the name Beecham and the probate....oh well

England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Agnes Clark
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 19 Jan 1861
Marriage Place: Dalton In Furness, Lancashire, England
Father: Isaac Clark
Spouse: Matthew Arimer
FHL Film Number: 1471899
Reference ID: 2:3ZT6P6C

Can he have married two Agnes Clarks ? one in 1861, father Isaac, the other 1871, father John (my lot)

Deaths Mar 1869
Armer Agnes 33 Ulverstone 8e 551

A possible Marriage for Agness.Cartmel where she was living in 1851 is in the reg dis of Ulverston

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Agness Clark
Name: Agness Clark
Registration Year: 1858
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Ulverston
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8E
Page: 754
Records on Page:
Name
John Atkinson
Mary Atkinson
Agness Clark
Isaac Massicks

I'm sure you've found Agnes (as ARMER),Misty!

Well done!

Maureen

It's a strange coincidence, but I'm sure Matthew married to different Agnes Clark's - and the one in 1871 is your Agnes. The earlier one died in 1869, it's on Cumbria BMD as sub district Dalton (Barrow was in this parish back then) and the 1861 census states she was born Penny Bridge - which is not in Ulverston.

I'm also sure you've nailed Agnes!

If you check Cumbria BMD you'll see they had a number of children between 1861/68, then there is a gap to 1873 where more children were born presumably to the second Agnes. Also, the 2nd marriage certificate is online, it clearly states her father as John Clark (dec) sailor - not a tailor.

The probate for Richard George Clark, gave an address of South Villa, Kents Bank. Your Agnes died in 1905, and Matthew Armer in 1917 - both their probates are on Ancestry in 1917 the addresss is the same. Her's (with will) granted to Edith Jane Armer, spinster. His to John Dodson Armer (miller) + solicitor, John Dodson appears to be a son from his first marriage.

I'll let you know later if the death for Mary checks out.