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I have found a death for a Maude Hilton in Oldham..would it confirm that it was her if I ordered a death certificate?

It seems that Violet Alice went through a false marriage and travelled to Australia as wife of Clifford Hilton with her two children by him who he registered as "Jackson mother" to legalise them. They later returned to England after his death in Australia in 1955. I still do not have a death date for Maude Hilton nee Jackson and do not know where she went after her mother in law took them over in 1932 to save them from going into care. Her husband was away at sea for most of their married life, first with the White Star and then in RN in war. Then off with Violet Alice to OZ

Just waiting for contact in Australia to confirm info in the link from Chris. Maybe even more to come!

Thank you Chris for that reference....Great..clarifies it all.

Thank you all so much. I read the immigration papers with great interest..enlightening although still do not know if married to Violet. Or where Maude went. I have found a contact in Australia who knows Roger and Ann so I am hoping for a breakthrough! Will post the result.

Thanks all.. I have read all the Immigration information...a great source...thank you. .I have found a contact in Australia who has agreed to give me information about Ann, Roger and Frank. Lets see what is forthcoming...all very odd I think. If she knows Roger we might get the truth.

I've had a look at RogerCH43 trees - he has several, one Hilton Family Tree, the other is Hilton Direct Line Tree-1

Although there are various photos and ID cards attached to Frank, there are no BMorDs relating to Alice. She did return to the UK and die "1 August 1993 in 45 Downland Avenue,Peacehaven, Sussex, England"

The MC to Maud reads
4 Aug 1923 St Barnabas Oxford
Frank Clifford Beaumont Hilton, age 23, Bachelor, Chemist of 12 Queens Sq, Huddersfield. Father Frank Rawden Deyson Hilton, Traveller.

Maude Jackson, age 24, Spinster, of 24 Canal Street
Father Thomas Jackson (deceased), Labourer

Witnesses Ethel Jackson, Thomas Jackson, Clara Beatrice Hilton.
...............

Before contacting RogerCH - which one of us could do on your behalf - might it be worthwhile purchasing a copy of his BC if the GRO system will allow it? If you look at the Immigration record link, it gives his full dob which will help.
Alternatively, or perhaps as well as, purchase what we believe to be his marriage cert to Violet. That should give his status + the father's name should match with what you know.

I can envisage all sorts of scenarios with this which he may not welcome

http://users.tpg.com.au/notsnhoj/Genealogy/GEDmillCVDH/indiI61.html

(on above, from google search)

Chris :)

Search for Roger C Hilton's 1939 birth on http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
His mother's maiden name is given as Jackson. Its the one reg in Thanet which covers Ramsgate.

The same applies to Patricia's 1945 Horncastle birth reg!

This is getting crazy...still do not know where Maude went. How did you find that the children were Maude`s?. How to get in touch with Roger Clifford Hilton? On Ancestry I saw a picture and various entries posted by Roger naming Violet Alice as his mother. Also I believe John Hilton referred to Marjorie born 1928 as his step sister. I do not have a membership for Ancestry any longer but I suppose I could join to read the certificates that are posted on the Hilton site. Thank you for all this.

Wow- confusing!! It could be Roger Clifford Hilton that has a tree on Ancestry- maybe he can shed some light on this??

I'm also confused :-|

The maiden name of the mother of the two children, born 1939 in Ramsgate, and born 1945 in Horncastle, who went to Australia with Frank and Alice Violet Hilton, was JACKSON (presumably Maude was their mother?).

From the Australian National Archives, Immigration and Naturalisation

HILTON Frank Clifford Beaumont born 14 September 1900; Violet Alice (nee Mcdermott) born 4 October 1907; Roger Clifford born (dd) May 1939; Patricia Ann born (dd) January 1945; departing UK under the Assisted Passage Migration Scheme

Their application papers are on line!
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp?B=8046376

It's a pity that the place and date of their 'marriage' isn't mentioned

I cannot find a marriage cert . for Frank Hilton and Violet Alice McDermott so cannot check whether he was divorced from Maude

I am getting too confused. All the family records including the leaving for Australia give her married to Frank Clifford Hilton and children of that marriage. Maude seems to have vanished completely!!

Looks like Stanley R. Hilton here:

Marriages Dec 1935 (>99%)
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Browne Percy A Dunton Brentford 3a 726
Dunton Sarah K Browne Brentford 3a 726
Hilton Stanley R McDermott Brentford 3a 726
McDermott Violet A M Hilton Brentford 3a 726

Thanks. I was worried that I was wrong as I looked up marriage for Violet Alice McDermott to Frank Clifford Hilton and it said 1935 but "Sidney Hilton" not F.C

He was with wife Violet Alice when he emigrated to Australia and children Roger Clifford, 12 and Ann Patricia, 6.


Fremantle, Western Australia, Passenger Lists, 1897-1963 about Mr Frank Clifford Hilton
Name: Mr Frank Clifford Hilton
Birth Date: abt 1901
Departure Place: Southampton, United Kingdom
Arrival Date: 6 Jun 1951
Arrival Place: Fremantle, Western Australia, Australia
Age on Arrival: 50
Vessel: Asturias

Looks like Frank died in AU


Australia Death Index, 1787-1985

Name:
Frank Clifford Hilton
[Frank Clifford Beaumont Hilton]

Death Place:Park, Victoria

Age:54

Father's Name:Rawdon Frank

Mother's name:Clara Beatr Beaumont

Registration Year:1955

Registration Place:Victoria

Registration Number:394

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1901


Is there any chance Maud* went overseas?

Can't find anything to confirm a divorce at the moment- but it is definitely something to keep in mind. (but just because someone has it on their tree, doesn't necessarily make it true :)

If you don't have his second marriage cert it might be worth buying- as Shirley says, his marital status may provide you with extra clues.