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Trying to find some information on Emily. I know she was baptised 20.6.1841 Acrise Kent to parents Thomas & Hester Gilham. Would it be possible to check the 1851 census and a possible marriage please. I think it is possible she married a James Bailey of Wootton but not sure.
Thank you Julia

here is the 1851 Census

1851 Census

Name: E E Gilham
[Eliza Gilham]
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry Gilham
Mother's name: Esther Gilham
Gender: Female
Where born: Acrise, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Acrise
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County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Registration district: Elham
Sub-registration district: Folkestone
ED, institution, or vessel: 3a

Household schedule number: 28
Piece: 1633
Folio: 314
Page Number: 12

Henry Gilham 50 b.ca 1801, Wingham, Kent, Ag Lab
Esther Gilham 40 b.ca 1811, Bladbean, Kent
F J Gilham 16 b.ca 1835, Elham, Kent, House Servant (at home) <<<< (Frances)
S Gilham 14 b.ca 1837, Acrise House Servant (at home)
E E Gilham 10 Scholar
E Gilham 8 b.ca 1843, Acrise, Scholar <<<<< (Hester)
J Gilham 5 b.ca 1846, Acrise, Scholar
J Gilham 3 b.ca 1848, Acrise, Scholar <<<<< (Jane)

Address:- Acrise Village



the names I've added at the side in parentheses were added to the record by an Ancestry member

....... eg, jane rather than J
Correction due to an error in transcription.
Submitted by seatwell1 on 26/08/2009


In fact, it was not "an error in transcription", the entries on the image are only initials, so "seatwell1 must have known the names.

They had older children ...............

1841 Census

Name: Henry Gilham
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Male
Where born: Kent, England
Civil Parish: Acrise
Hundred: Loningborough
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Registration district: Elham
Sub-registration district: Elham

Piece: 477
Book: 1
Folio: 7
Page Number: 11

Henry Gilham 40 Ag Lab
Esther Gilham 30
Mary Gilham 13
George Gilham 10
Henry Gilham 9
Frances Gilham 6
Susanna Gilham 4
N K Gilham 2 Weeks

Address:- Acrise Village



I think NK Gilham must be Emily Eliza :-)


all born in Kent

oooooops


just realised ...................... you said the father was Thomas

and the above 2 records are Henry


I'll leave them for the time being, while I search again :-)

Hi Sylvia, I am not 100% sure of the father's name, I went on Family Search and it said Thomas & Hester Gilham and that was all that I managed but it did say they were born Acrise Kent. Well you have got Esther there but with regard to Henry I am not sure.
Have taken what you have on board and will wait to hear from you again, thank you in the meantime.
Julia

it's all a bit strange

I'm using ancestry


Ancestry has the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538 - 1975 .......... which is the same as is on familysearch

and there are Thomas / Hester and Henry / Esther

BUT I have not so far found Thomas / Hester on the censuses


Just look at this mix of christenings ..........


Jane Gilham b. 19 Sep 1847 (no baptism shown) Thomas, Hester Gilham

Jane Gilham christened 19 Sep 1847 Acrise, Kent, England Thomas, Hester (think this is the same as the one above)

Hester Gilham christened 12 Mar 1843 Acrise, Kent, England Thomas, Hester

Henry William Gilham christened 15 Jul 1832 Elmstone, Kent, England Henry, Esther

Emily Eliza Gilham christened 20 Jun 1841 Acrise, Kent, England Thomas, Hester

Hester Jane Gilham christened 2 Nov 1834 Acrise, Kent, England Henry, Hester

Susannah Gilham christened 26 Feb 1837 Acrise, Kent, England Thomas, Hester

James Gilham christened 8 Jun 1845 Acrise, Kent, England Thomas, Hester

Wow that sounds strange doesn't it. I Might have to look up marriages for them both but will have to do that tomorrow as I have to close now I'm afraid. I live in Oz and my hubby has called me for dinner bless him.
Will get back to you tomorrow
Julia

Emily Eliza is on several trees on ancestry ...................... either with parents Henry and Esther or parents unknown


She seems to have married twice ............... first to James Henry Bailey in 1860, in Acrise. He seems to have died in1869, and she then married William R Hood in 1874

.............. OK


and I am about to close down and go to bed!!

3 of the children christened and shown with father Thomas and mother Hester, can be found on the censuses with father Henry and mother Esther


these are Jane, Emily Eliza and Susannah

I cannot see James on the 1851 Census, unless he is the J Gilham age 5 with Henry and Esther, but he is on the 1861 already working away form home as a Servant


of course Hester / Esther are almost interchangeable ........................... unless Thomas is really Thomas Henry ????????????????


there may well be 2 families .................... but I can't see how!

Possible

Name: Henry Gilham
Spouse's Name: Esther Goldfinch
Event Date: 29 Jul 1827
Event Place: Elmstone, Kent, England

Canterbury Burials Transcription (Find My Past)


Gilham Esther 1810 1883 1883 Canterbury Burials Acrise, St Martin, Kent
Burial day 25 Burial month Apr


Gilham Henry 1800 1883 1883 Canterbury Burials Acrise, St Martin, Kent (on image, says husband of above) Burial day 17 Burial month May


Gilham James 1845 1900 1900 Canterbury Burials Acrise, St Martin, Kent, England

Gilham Mary Ann 1828 1846 1846 Canterbury Burials Acrise, St Martin, Kent, England

Gilham Wm Henry 1860 1860 1860 Canterbury Burials Acrise, St Martin, Kent, England


(also Baptisms as Sylvia posted)

Chris :)

edits

Deaths Jun 1883 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------
Gilham Esther 73 Elham 2a 601
Gilham Henry 83 Elham 2a 602

Marriages Mar 1860 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------
Gillham Emily Eliza Dover 2a 873
Bailey James Dover 2a 873


Canterbury Marriage Banns Transcription (Find My Past)
First name(s) Emily Eliza
Last name Gilham (Gillham on image)
Banns year 1859
Banns day 4 (11 18)
Banns month Dec
Place Elham, St Mary the Virgin
Marriage year 1859
Spouse's first name(s) James
Spouse's last name Bailey
Groom's parish Wootton
Bride's parish Elham
County Kent
Country England
Archive reference U3/32/1/15

Chris :)

but where's the Thomas Gilham from the baptism of Emily Eliza ???????????????


can anyone find him and Hester?

1881 (Find My Past)
Henry Gilham Head Married Male 82 1799 Ag Lab Wingham, Kent, England
Esther Gilham Wife Married Female 72 1809 - Elham, Kent, England
Lucy Welch Grand Daughter Single Female 15 1866 Grandmothers Help (Dom) Elham, Kent, England
Street Pay Street
Parish Elham
County Kent
Registration district Elham
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 1012
Folio 15
Page 23

(above seem to be Burials posted, Henry stated as Husband of Esther, on Burial image, his being entry underneath)

(strange!)

Chris :)


(Henry seems to come up on google search)

Back now after a good nights sleep. As you say maybe Thomas & Henry are the same person, it does seem strange With regard to Emily & James Bailey do you know if they had any children in the ten years they were married? Also the 1861 Census of them both would be appreciated. I am now going to peruse all you have given me and put it in order in my mind.
Julia

Back now after a good nights sleep. As you say maybe Thomas & Henry are the same person, it does seem strange With regard to Emily & James Bailey do you know if they had any children in the ten years they were married? Also the 1861 Census of them both would be appreciated. I am now going to peruse all you have given me and put it in order in my mind.
Julia

Hi Julia

I haven't yet found Emily and James in 1861, but here is Emily in 1871 ................. after James' death, with their children ...............


1871 Census

Name: Emily Bailey
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Acrise, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Newington
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Elham
Sub-registration district: Hythe
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 93
Piece: 1019
Folio: 50
Page Number: 17

Emily Bailey 30 Dressmaker
Shadrach Bailey 10 b.ca 1861, Elham, Kent, Scholar
William Bailey 9 b.ca 1862, Elham, Scholar
Henry Bailey 6 b.ca 1865, Newington, Kent, Scholar
Emily Bailey 4 b.ca 1867, Newington, Scholar
James Bailey 1 b.ca 1870, Newington

Address:- Pean (???)


The image does show Emily as Married .............. even though there seem ot be records of James dying in 1869



Several of the ancestry trees have an image of the page from the Elham Parish Register for Shadrach's baptism .....................

Shadrach Henry James Bailey, son of James and Emily Eliza
Address Elham
Father occupation Labourer

Baptism March 10th (or ? 16th) 1861



several of the trees also indicate that James' full name was James Henry

This is the transcribed record of Shadrach's baptism ..............



England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: Shadrack Henry James Bailey
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 10 Mar 1861
Baptism Place: Elham, Kent, England
Father: James Bailey
Mother: Emily Eliza
FHL Film Number: 1836029
Reference ID: 189


and also for William and James ................


Name: William Bailey
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 13 Apr 1862
Baptism Place: Elham, Kent, England
Father: James Bailey
Mother: Emily Eliza
FHL Film Number: 1836029
Reference ID: 192


Name: James Bailey
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 16 May 1869
Baptism Place: Newington-next-Hythe, Kent, England
Father: James Bailey
Mother: Emily Bailey
FHL Film Number: 1835534




I don't see any baptisms for Henry or Emily

This looks like them in 1861 ....... but I'm now confused with the name of the baby and who does Stephen belong to?


1861 Census

Name: Eliza Bailey
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: 1841
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Bailey
Gender: Female
Where born: Acrise, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Elham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Registration district: Elham
Sub-registration district: Elham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2

Household schedule number: 58
Piece: 553
Folio: 25
Page Number: 12

James Bailey 24 b.ca 1837, Wootton, Kent, Ag Lab
Eliza Bailey 20
Frederick Bailey 3/12 b.1861, Elham
Stephen Gilham 5 b.ca 1856, Elham, Nephew

Address:- Shuttlesfield (???spelling)



I wonder if the enumerator mis-heard Shadrach, and decided it was Frederick??????



it is a very biblical name, but possibly not that common