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Hi all,

I wondered if some kind person could help me, i am looking for my great grandmother Mary Louisa Percy born 1883 in Porthcawl, registartion Bridgend, Glamorgan. She married James Coombs in 1902 in Grangetown, Cardiff and i have found her children one of them being my grandmother Violet Elizabeth Coombs born in Roath, Cardiff 1904. Mary died in 1975 in Barry, South Glamorgan and thats all i know about her.
I have tried to locate her on the census but all i can find is her on the 1911 census with her husband and two sons. i can not locate her on the 1901 census a year before her marriage or on the 1891 census. Please could somebody help me find Mary Louisa Percy on the 1901 or 1891 census please.

Kindest regard
Heidi


1911 Census
Name: Mary Louiser Coombs
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Civil Parish: Barry
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: 59 Hirwain St Barry Dock
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 9
Estimated Marriage Year: 1902
Registration district: Cardiff
Registration District Number: 588
Sub-registration district: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 303
Piece: 32189
Household Members:
Name Age
James Coombs 32
Mary Louiser Coombs 28
William Charles Coombs 4
Lesley James Coombs 4/12

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I can't see her on either the 1891 or 1901 censuses on ancestry



you may have to buy her marriage certificate to discover the name of her father and her address.

Father named as Charles Percy, a Mason, on the marriage certificate.

Address of both bridge and groom - 237 Penarth Road

Witnesses were James Coombs and Elizabeth Ann Coombs

1891 Wales Census
about Mary L Penry


Name:Mary L Penry
Age:8
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1883
Relation:Daughter
Father's Name:Charles Penry
Mother's name:Sarah C Penry
Gender:Female
Where born:Porthrame, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish:Penarth
Ecclesiastical parish:Penarth
Town:Penarth
County/Island:Glamorgan
Country:Wales
Street address:
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Condition as to marriage:
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Education:
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Employment status:
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Occupation:
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Registration district:Cardiff
Sub registration district:Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel:53a
Neighbors:
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Piece:4402
Folio:96
Page Number:70
Household Members:
Name
Age


Charles Penry 33 Mason, born Devon
Sarah C Penry 32 Born Cornwall
Mary L Penry 8
William E Penry 6
Edward T Penry 5
Francis A Penry 2
Mary A Penry 56




Andy

1901 (Ancestry) Image: surname- Percy. (correction submitted)

Address looks like 15 Glebe Place?

Mary L Lucy
Age in 1901: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Chas Lucy
Mother's name: Sarah L Lucy
Gender: Female
Where born: Porthcarol, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Penarth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Augustine
Town: Penarth
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Penarth
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 163
Piece: 4989
Folio: 48
Page Number: 26
Household Members:

Chas Lucy 43 Devon, Tiverton
Sarah L Lucy 39 Cornwall St Ives
Mary L Lucy 17 Glam, Porthcawl
William C Lucy 16 Mason's labourer Glam, Porthcawl
Francis A Lucy 12 Glam, Porthcawl
Thos F Lucy 7 Glam, Porthcawl
Albert E Lucy 2 Glam, Porthcawl
Margrate Lucy 63 Mother-in-law Tailoress Cornwall, St Ives

Possible for parents marriage

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1883 (>99%)
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JAMES Sarah Louisa P Cardiff 11a 430
PERCY Charles Cardiff 11a 430


Andy

British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 about Violet Elizabeth Coombs
Name: Violet Elizabeth Coombs
Birth Date: 3 Jul 1904
Birth Place: Roath Cardiff
Age: 11
Document Year: 1915
Relationship to Soldier: Child
Form Title: Descriptive Report on Enlistment
Number of Images: 10
Other Records:
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
James Coombs Self (Head)
Mary Louisa Coombs Spouse
Violet Elizabeth Coombs Child
William Charles Coombs Child
Leslie James Coombs Child
Arthur Edward Coombs Child
Ivan George Coombs Child

1911: her family in 1911 note their niece (daughter of Mary)

Charles Percy
Age in 1911: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Exeter, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Newton Nottage
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: 2 Williams Place Porth Cawl
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 28
Estimated Marriage Year: 1883
Occupation: Bricklayer
Registration district: Bridgend
Registration District Number: 591
Sub-registration district: Bridgend
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 115
Piece: 32583
Household Members:

Charles Percy 56 Bricklayer (own Account) Exeter, Devon
Sarah Louisa Percy 52 Cornwall, St Ives
Thomas Frank Percy 17 Glamorgan
Albert Edward Percy 14 Glamorgan
Jack Stewart Percy 10 Galmorgan
Margrate Percy 76 Mother-in-law Tailoress Cornwall, St Ives
Elizabeth Coombes 5 Niece Cardiff, Glamorgan

Married 28 years, 9 children, 5 still living.

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Dec 1927 (>99%)
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Percy Charles 71 Cardiff 11a 459


Andy

Hi all,

I logged on this morning to all this information, thank you so much everybody.

Sylvia, thank you for looking for me.

Gritty, how you ever managed to find them on the census under the surname Lucy, i will never know. But a huge thank you. Also thank you so much for the 1911 census, how interesting to see Elizabeth Coombes niece, will look in to Elizabeth and see what i can find out, i wonder if its the same Elizabeth Choccy metions on the marriage certificate.

Andy a big thank you for your help in locating them on the 1891, and thank you for the marriage information.

Choccy a big thank you for the marriage information amazing that you were able to locate this.

Mel thank you as well for the pension records on James, i will print these off today.

Thank you everybody for your help, i was completely stuck and you have help to move my search forward.
Kindest regards
Heidi

Thank you Andy again for the information on Charles, i think i will ring Cardiff council this morning and see if i can locate the burial.

Heidi xx

Thank you Andy again for the information on Charles, i think i will ring Cardiff council this morning and see if i can locate the burial.

Heidi xx

There is a possible death for Sarah as well

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Dec 1922 (>99%)
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Percy Sarah L 64 Cardiff 11a 442


Andy

I wonder????????

anges.
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Sarah James
Name: Sarah James
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 24 Mar 1863
Baptism Place: St Ives, Cornwall, England
Father: Samuel James
Mother: Sarah Veal James
FHL Film Number: 1595570

England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 about Sarah Veale Dumble
Name: Sarah Veale Dumble
Gender: Female
Age: 21
Birth Date: 1839
Marriage Date: 28 Oct 1860
Marriage Place: St. Ives, Cornwall, England
Father: William Dumble
Spouse: Samuel James
FHL Film Number: 1595679
Reference ID: 24

This might be family 1871. Sarah using middle name of Louisa


1871 England Census
about Samuel James

Name:Samuel James
Age:40
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1831
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Louisa James
Gender:Male
Where born:Callington, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish:St Andrew
Ecclesiastical parish:St Peter
County/Island:Devon
Country:England
Registration district:Plymouth
Sub-registration district:St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel:2
Household schedule number:39
Piece:2117
Folio:54
Page Number7
Household Members:
Name
Age


Samuel James 40 Tailor
Louisa James 40
Harriett L James 11
Louisa James 9
George H James 7
Frank James 4



Andy

Choccy did'nt say what Sarah's father was.

Thank you so much Andy and Mel, all this information is so helpful i cant believe how much information you have found, thank you so much for helping me crack the case of Mary Percy and all her family.

Andy i just rang Cardiff council and they can not locate a burial in Cardiff municipal cemeteries, so may have to look at Parish records or outside of Cardiff for Charles Percy. Thank you so much guys i really appreciate all of your help, very exciting Mel to be looking at records in Cornwall what a beautiful place have very fond memories of holidays there as a child.

Heidi xx

I'm not sure if the info on Sarah is correct. Needs more work- Who is Margaret- mother-in-law on 1901 & 1911 census?? I think you'll need to buy the 1883 marriage cert to find out who Sarah has listed for her father.

I've just had another look at the 1911 census

Margaret is listed as MOTHER-IN-LAW and although her name has been transcribed as Percy, looking at the image, I think it's actually PERRY.

possible for 1861?
Name: Margaret J Perry
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: 1834
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Lelant, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: St Ives
Town: St Ives
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Registration district: Penzance
Sub-registration district: St Ives
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 68
Piece: 1590
Folio: 28
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary A Ninnis 52
Mary A Ninnis 18
Catherine Ninnis 13
John Juiell 69
Grace Williams 17
Margaret J Perry 27 married Lodger Dressmaker
Sarah L Perry 2 Cornwall, St Ives

Possible baptism for Sarah:

Name: Sarah Louisa Perry
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 27 Jul 1859
Baptism Place: St. Ives, Cornwall, England
Father: Francis Perry
Mother: Margaret Jane Perry
FHL Film Number: 1595570
Reference ID: p 203

This may not be correct- but worth looking into.

This death could also be related:

Name: Margaret J James
Birth Date: abt 1835
Date of Registration: Dec 1922
Age at Death: 87
Registration district: Newport
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 195

I wonder if the P initial under Sarah's marriage (that Andy put up earlier) stands for Perry??

Marriages Mar 1883 (>99%)
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JAMES Sarah Louisa P Cardiff 11a 430
PERCY Charles Cardiff 11a 430

Thank you gritty, i think that i must look at getting the marriage certificate for Charles and Sarah, to prove all your hard work. I cant thank you enough for your help with the Percy family.

Heidi xxxxx