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Wow,

Thank you Chris and Dea,

That's brilliant didn't know abt those sites, on the last one that you gave Chris found Mary Ann's death in 1921 with right parents on so confirms the tree that Margee found.

I'm now going to read though the 53 pages of the record that Dea found.

Thank you sooooooooooo much you are stars :-D :-D :-D.

All the best

Wendy <3 <3

http://tinyurl.com/n7udefx

(Death Notice 1940. Husband of Nellie etc.)


http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y

(from above, Aus. Newspapers)

Chris :)


https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/queryEntry.m?type=deaths

I know you said you were leaving this for now but I found this so I have posted it:

If you open this link

http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/DetailsReports/ItemDetail.aspx?Barcode=3180917&isAv=N

Once there - click on 'View digital copy' about half way up the page, over to the right on the lower green bar - this will open up what looks to be 53 pages of his records (I have only looked at the first few but they contain lots of personal detail).

Really interesting.................

Dea x

ADDED: - He was discharged 26/10/17 and a couple of months earlier he gives his next of kin (previously brother John) as 'wife' Mrs. M.A Bywater, 11 Meddows St.., New Brighton, Liverpool.

Dea x

Hi Jacqueline,

Sorry abt the name on my first post don't know why I put Mary and not Elsie.

As for the births I was looking at was to see if their was any other Lilian that could be the one on the ship records that you found and to show that my Lilian was the only one born 1894.

I think I'll put this to bed until after Christmas now and then come back to it with a fresh mind.

Thank you for all your help and Merry Christmas.

Wendy

I'm not sure why you're speculating about births for Lilian

As is clearly shown in census records, she was Lilian ELSIE, as per my earlier post.

Your original message naming her as Lilian MARY was inaccurate

Hi Jacqueline,

Thank you so much for looking, I'll keep those facts in mind just in case.

I've checked freebmd for births for any Lilian Bywaters born in the 1890's and there is only a few:


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Mar 1892 (>99%)
Bywater Lilian Sheffield 9c 553 Scan available - click to view
Births Mar 1894 (>99%)
Bywater Lilian Elsie Basford 7b 216 Scan available - click to view
Births Dec 1895 (>99%)
Bywater Lilian Emily O Builth 11b 63 Scan available - click to view
Births Sep 1897 (>99%)
Bywater Lilian Maud Ashby Z. 7a 85 Scan available - click to view

So its possible the ship record you found could be them and Mary's age is down wrong

Wendy

I can see no sign of Lilian in the UK after 1911, so am posting this as a suggestion.


First name(s) LILIAN
Last name BYWATER
Gender Female
Age 24
Birth year 1894
Occupation DOMESTIC
Departure year 1918
Departure day 2
Departure month 2
Departure port PLYMOUTH
Destination port SYDNEY
Destination SYDNEY
State New South Wales
Country AUSTRALIA
Destination country AUSTRALIA
Ship name IONIC
Ship official number 115337
Ship master's first name V W
Ship master's last name HICKSON
Shipping line SHAW SAVILL & ALBION CO LTD
City PLYMOUTH
Ship destination port NEW ZEALAND
Ship destination country NEW ZEALAND
Ship square feet 11029

Perhaps she decided to visit/join her father, in spite of his having abandoned his family

ADDED

Having checked the image, I see travelling on the same voyage, and listed just above Lilian is a Mrs M Bywater, aged 49, so probably not 'your' Lilian, as the age for Mrs M would be wrong for HER mother

??????

First name(s) MARY A
Last name BYWATER
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1866
Age 63
Death quarter 1
Death year 1929
District HEMSWORTH
County Yorkshire
Volume 9C
Page 321

OR......

First name(s) MARY A
Last name BYWATER
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1864
Age 79
Death quarter 1
Death year 1943
District HUDDERSFIELD
County Yorkshire
Volume 9A
Page 380

hi Clare,

Thank you

Right could be, Enoch was born 1866 son of Edward Bywater and Emma Jowett so the Enoch you found could be right, I have just been gooling Enoch Bywater and found an Embarkation Roll of the 1st world war for Australia saying Enoch Bywater enrolling on 3 Feb 1915 aged is 44yrs out abt 5yrs born Beeston England says he was single and next of kin was John Bywater of Beeston so looks like he left his family and Mary Ann lied on the census.

Here's what I found:
Enoch BYWATER
enlisted on
3 February 1915
in the
4th Light Horse Field Ambulance,
Australian Imperial Force,
with the rank of
CPL Cook, Number 2599,
and was listed as
Returned to Australia
on
27 July 1917

Wendy

Queensland death for someone with the correct name
father mother
1940 C3303 Enock Bywater John Emma Jarrett

hi Sorry abt that had to go off for a while.

Jacqueline we crossed post and you answered my question before mine post so now understand.

Margee,

I'm not sure that tree is right as on the 1911 census Mary Ann says she was a widow making that Enoch died sometime between July 1902 and 1911, but I'll see if I can find anything for the Australia deaths. It not the first time someone has a death in another country but have it wrong. I had found one once on the find the grave site with all the English line attached to the wrong woman that someone had put in.

Again Thank you both for all your help.

all the best

Wendy

I can't find any prrof of deaths in Australia nor can I find any immigration record.

A tree says that Enoch died 21 Sep. 1940, Queensland, aged 74 and Mary Ann died 27 Nov. 1921, Brisbane, aged 57 but no documentation.

Not sure what 'what' means?

The records I posted show that he was in the ARMY until July 1902

hi Jacqueline,

Thank you for that, I'm not sure what it means but will find out.

Margee,

Does the tree given any more details on the deaths or proof? please.

Oh I have to go now as someone has just turned up for a visit be will be back later after lunch.

Thank you so much for you help you are stars :-D :-D.

Wendy

First name(s) E
Last name Bywater
Service number(s) 16543, 862
Rank Private
Regiment Royal Army Medical Corps, Derbyshire Regiment (The Sherwood Foresters)
Rolls Roll: 352
Units Unit: Royal Army Medical Corps, Rank: Private, Number: 16543
Unit: Derbyshire Regiment (The Sherwood Foresters), Rank: Private, Number: 862
Casualty details -
Casualty notes -
Casualty source -
Gazzetteer -
Country Great Britain
Record set Anglo-Boer War records 1899-1902
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Record collection Boer Wars
Collections from Great Britain

So he was probably in SA in 1901

Trees on Ancestry say that both Enoch and Mary Ann died in Australia.

First name(s) ENOCH
Last name BYWATER
Birth year 1866
Birth parish BEESTON
Birth town NOTTINGHAM
Birth county NOTTINGHAMSHIRE
Birth country ENGLAND
Service number 16543
Rank -
Regiment Royal Army Medical Corps
Document Type Attestation
Attestation year 1901
Attestation Day 23
Attestation Month 11
Attestation age years 35
Attestation age months 3

Allotted one third of pay to wife and children

Previously served with the Derbyshire Regiment

Was discharged from RAMC in July 1902

Just found on familysearch details of marriage of Rosine Bywater and Arthur H Checkett married on 12 Dec 1914 at St Paul's Church, Tranmare father Enoch Bywater.

Thank you Margee for the birth details :-D :-D :-D

Wendy

Hi All,

Thank you sooooooooooo much, that all ties in with what I have. I have the marriage of Mary Ann Burton and Enoch Bywater and the Freebmd details of marriage of Rosine Bywater in 1914 she married Arthur Herbert Checkett he died in 1917/18 as she then married Richard Bowen in 1919 she died in 1967 in Crewe.

Enoch Bywater son of Enoch and Mary Ann died in 1950 in Wallasey.

I cannot find a death for the Enoch born 1866 and wonder were he was in 1901.

Wendy

Lilian Elsie's birth certificate is posted on a tree on Ancestry. She was born 10 Feb. 1894, 12 Willoughby St., Beeston, father Enoch, mother Mary Ann formerly Burton. Birth registered 13 March, 1894 by mother.