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It may be she married as Cough as she was hiding the fact she wasn't married but had children known as Clough Lots of cover ups occurred to cover tracks

Not seeing a death for Harry Clough either

In my own family one ladies birth was never reg in 1901 as her dad was an Army deserter and his wife would deny any knowledge of his whereabouts . A child coming along was a give away so she was never registered .caused all sorts of problems later on when she was eligible for OAP pension .


It does look your Gladys birth wasn't reg :-(

The report in the Lancashire Evening Post refers to her running to her stepmother Mrs Spriggs wife of Andrew Spriggs. Not sure how she is a stepmother (or indeed what the relationship with Andrew Spriggs is) but they were running the Clough Springs Hotel at the time - coincidence?

Jude

Ooh that's interesting Jude ;-) ;-)

Nice find Jude


1901 Census

Name:Martha M Spriggs

Age:53

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1848

Relation to Head:Wife

Gender:Female

Spouse:Andrew Spriggs <<Beer seller

Birth Place:
Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish:Burnley

Ecclesiastical parish:St Peter

County/Island:Lancashire

Registration district:Burnley

Sub-registration district:East Ward

ED, institution, or vessel:20

Piece:3864

Folio:28

Page Number:1

Household schedule number:1

Household Members:


Name

Age


Andrew Spriggs 58
Martha M Spriggs 53
Annie Spriggs 26
Sarah Ellen Spriggs 6
Florence Constantine 8 <<<<<<<<<<<Boarder
John Watkins 23
John Shaw 23
William Chapman 32
Thomas Day 25
Thomas Blake 24
Job Green 20

Yes Gins, had found that census. In another article in the Burnley Express Martha Ann is described as grandmother....still can't work out the relationship!

The rest of Florence's family are also in Burnley St Peter East Ward - district 13 rather than 20.

It's an interesting conspiracy......... :-)

Jude

Andrew Spriggs seems to have married Martha Ann Riley in Burnley 1893

Doesn't help though!

Florence's mother was Sarah Jarvis - how about this birth.....

Births Mar 1871 (>99%)
Jarvis Sarah Riley Wortley 9c 229 Scan available - click to view

tenuous I know...........

Then there's this 1881 census for Sarah

NAME: Martha Jarvis
AGE: 34
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1847
RELATIONSHIP TO HEAD: Head
GENDER: Female
WHERE BORN: Thorpherley, Yorkshire, England
CIVIL PARISH: Habergham Eaves
COUNTY/ISLAND: Lancashire
COUNTRY: England
STREET ADDRESS: 74 Coal Clough Lane
EDUCATION:

EMPLOYMENT STATUS:

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OCCUPATION: Charwoman
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Burnley
SUB REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Burnley
ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 29
NEIGHBORS: View others on page
PIECE: 4151
FOLIO: 41
PAGE NUMBER: 75
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
Martha Jarvis 34
Sarah Jarvis 9
Ellen Jarvis 7


Jude

Bradley............think I'm becoming too hopeful and foolish!



Name:Sarah Jane Bradley

Registration Year:1871

Registration Quarter:Jan-Feb-Mar

Registration district:Wortley

Parishes for this Registration District:
View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District

Inferred County:Yorkshire West Riding

Volume:9c

Page:207

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Wonder if this is the above and her birth was registered later?



Name:Sarah Jane Bradley

Birth Date:16 Apr 1867

Parish:Hunslet Moor, St Peter

Baptism Date:
8 May 1867

Father's Name:
Alfred Bradley <<<<<<<<<<Night watchman

Mother's name:
Sarah Ann Bradley

Sarah Jervis and mother Martha Ann Jervis, and father John Riley in 1871:


1871 England Census about Martha Ann Javis
Name: Martha Ann Javis
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Housekeeper
Gender: Female
Where born: Kimberworth, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Ecclesfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Chapeltown St John the Baptist
Town: Chapeltown
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wortley
Sub-registration district: Ecclesfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 253
Piece: 4657
Folio: 51
Page Number: 51
Household Members:
Name Age
John Ryley 24
Martha Ann Javis 23
Sarah Jarvis 1 Month



Sarah & John's marriage:


England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940 about John Thomas Constantine
Name: John Thomas Constantine
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1870
Age: 22
Father's Name: John Constantine
Spouse's Name: Sarah Jarvis
Spouse's Age: 21
Spouse's Father's Name: John Riley <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Marriage Date: 16 Apr 1892
Marriage Place: Burnley, Lancashire, England

Oh tenuous indeed!!!! Well done AG!

And look at the address where Florence was living when baptised....Baptism: Aug 1892 St Matthew the Apostle, Habergham Eaves, Lancashire, England
Florence Constantine - [Child] of John Thomas Constantine & Sarah
Abode: 80 Coal Clough Lane
Occupation: Brick Setter
Baptised by: A. H. N. Parker
Register: Baptisms 1890 - 1896, Page 35, Entry 280
Source: LDS Film 1526143

I am beginning to think Mr Clough actually didn't really exist ;-) ;-) ;-)

Jude

Nice one AG :-)

What a tangled web

There are so many instances of "Clough" in Florence's life that I am beginning to believe my own conspiracy theory. It would also explain why we can't find a marriage or a death for Harry :-)

I can't find a marriage for Martha Ann to John Riley so I think she must have just assumed his name.

Jude

Going back to that Harry Clough whom Gins found on page 1:

This will be him in 1901 with his parents:

1901 England Census about Harry Clough
Name: Harry Clough
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: Henry Clough
Mother: Louisa Clough
Birth Place: Oldham, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Oldham
Ecclesiastical parish: Oldham St Stephen and All Martyrs
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Oldham
Sub-registration district: Oldham Above Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 03
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3814
Folio: 58
Page Number: 24
Household schedule number: 170
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Clough 49
Louisa Clough 48
Annie Clough 18
Mary A Clough 16 (actually Mary H)
Harry Clough 12


By 1911 Louisa is widowed, as we saw on page 1.
NOTE: HAROLD HOLT, GRANDSON - I expect it's too much to hope that's some link to Florence's future husband George's family?

1911 England Census about Harry Clough
Name: Harry Clough
Age in 1911: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Om, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Oldham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 14 Bridgewater St Oldham
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Warehouseman
Registration district: Oldham
Registration District Number: 469
Sub-registration district: Oldham East
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Piece: 24439
Household Members:
Name Age
Louisa Clough 58
Annie Clough 28
Harry Clough 22
Harold Holt 4


Young Harold also appears on the census with his parents in 1911:


1911 England Census about Philip Holt
Name: Philip Holt
Age in 1911: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Oldham, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Oldham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 11 Busk Rd Oldham
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Bobbin Carrier
Registration district: Oldham
Registration District Number: 469
Sub-registration district: Oldham Central
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Piece: 24473
Household Members:
Name Age
Philip Holt 25
Mary Hannah Holt 26
Harold Holt 4


Marriages Sep 1905 (>99%)
Clough Mary Hannah Oldham 8d 1244
Holt Philip Oldham 8d 1244

Yes AG...I had noticed that young Holt in passing.....and it's hard not to wonder with everything else we have found :-)

I did notice too that a later newspaper report said Martha Spriggs was Florence's grandmother but hadn't checked it out. I had also pondered the recurrence of "Clough" in the various addresses after I'd posted that baptism..

Possible death of that Harry Clough:


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Harry Clough
Name: Harry Clough
Birth Date: abt 1889
Date of Registration: Mar 1966
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Oldham
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10f
Page: 63

Yes MC....we're all far too suspicious for our own good! :-)

Jude

Just musing aloud while I get it straight in my head - so Andrew Spriggs was Florence's "step grandfather"?

Yes I think so...Martha Ann Spriggs married him as Martha Ann Riley.

She was Sarah Jarvis's mother and Sarah was born before she "married" John Riley and so Sarah was registered as Sarah Riley Jarvis.

I can't find a death for John Riley - but it's a common name - and I can't find a marriage for Martha Ann and him. Andrew Spriggs appears to have married only once at the age of 50 (to Martha)

Of course whilst this puts some meat on the bones it doesn't answer the original question regarding the three girls born as Clough.

Karen, if the Dorothy M born 1922 is your "Dolly" then Elsie wasn't the youngest (or Dorothy the oldest). Do you know who Dorothy and Gladys married?

I have to agree with Shirley that neither Gladys or Elsie appear to have been registered...unless Florence moonlighted as "Catlow" - there are births that match the names and dates for both Elsie and Gladys......... :-S

Yes Martha was Florence's grandmother. I have her "in Memorium" card from when she was buried - all black embossed card. John Riley is interred with her at Burnley cemetery.
I always wondered why Florence wasn't living at home with her parents for the 1901 census too. I was contacted by the granddaughter of Fred Constantine, who only knew of Florence's existence after finding her at home in the 1911 census. Fred never mentioned his oldest sister apparently.

Gladys married 12/09/36 to George Taylor. Gladys's daughter Elaine is still living and gave me Gladys' birthdate.