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Frances

Frances Report 9 Feb 2015 13:56

Please look at end of thread ....







I have :-

1911 Census
VELLAM CHARLES M 1864 47 Newmarket Cambridgeshire
VELLAM HANNAH F 1873 38 Newmarket Cambridgeshire
VELLAM WILLIAM M 1897 14 Newmarket Cambridgeshire
VELLAM ETHEL F 1898 13 Newmarket Cambridgeshire
VELLAM CECIL M 1899 12 Newmarket Cambridgeshire
VELLAM ARTHER M 1902 9 Newmarket Cambridgeshire
VELLAM LEWIS M 1908 3 Newmarket Cambridgeshire

and

Marriages Mar 1894
Vellam Charles Betts W. Ham
4a 182

King Hannah Elizabeth W. Ham
4a 182

and I am trying to find the family of Hannah Elizabeth. Please can anybody see her place of birth? I am told she has a sister Lucy, who married Charles younger brother Alfred.

Many thanks,
Frances

safc

safc Report 9 Feb 2015 14:00

Name: Charles Betts Vellam
Birth Date: 1865
Birthplace:
Age: 29
Spouse's Name: Hannah Elizabeth King
Spouse's Birth Date: 1873
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 21
Event Date: 1894
Event Place: Walthamstow, St. Saviors Church, Essex, Eng.
Father's Name: Charles Betts Vellam
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: Matthew King
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M16391-1
System Origin: England-VR
GS Film number: 1564165
Reference ID: 2:3QQGFS1



Citing this Record:
"England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NFNJ-BZ3 : accessed 9 February 2015), Charles Betts Vellam and Hannah Elizabeth King, 1894; citing Walthamstow, St. Saviors Church, Essex, Eng., reference 2:3QQGFS1; FHL microfilm 1,564,165.

safc

safc Report 9 Feb 2015 14:02


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
21, Anchor Lane, Lakenheath, Mildenhall, Suffolk, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Matthew King Head Married Male 30 1851 Pedlar Lakenheath, Suffolk, England
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Margaret King Wife Married Female 29 1852 - Lakenheath, Suffolk, England
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Hannah E King Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Lakenheath, Suffolk, England
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Lucy M King Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Lakenheath, Suffolk, England
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Matthew King Son Single Male 4 1877 - Lakenheath, Suffolk, England
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Jonah King Son Single Male 2 1879 - Lakenheath, Suffolk, England

safc

safc Report 9 Feb 2015 14:03


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
River Bank, Swaffham Prior, Newmarket, Cambridgeshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles B Vellam Head Married Male 36 1865 Foreman On Farm Lincolnshire, England
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Hannah E Vellam Wife Married Female 28 1873 - Lakenheath, Suffolk, England
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Florence M Vellam Daughter - Female 6 1895 - Walthamstow, Essex, England
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William H Vellam Son - Male 4 1897 - Walthamstow, Essex, England
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Ethel Vellam Daughter - Female 3 1898 - Walthamstow, Essex, England
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Cecil H Vellam Son - Male 2 1899 - Walthamstow, Essex, England

safc

safc Report 9 Feb 2015 14:04


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Toft Farm Burwell Cambridgeshire, Burwell, Cambridgeshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Charles Vellam Head Married Male 47 1864 Crowland Lincolnshire Yardman On Farm
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Hannah Vellam Wife Married Female 38 1873 Lakenheath Suffolk -
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William Vellam Son - Male 14 1897 Walthamstow Essex Work On Farm
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Ethel Vellam Daughter - Female 13 1898 Walthamstow Essex -
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Cecil Vellam Son - Male 12 1899 Walthamstow Essex School
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Arther Vellam Son - Male 9 1902 Swaffham Prior Fen Cambs School
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Lewis Vellam Son - Male 3 1908 Reach Cambs -

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 9 Feb 2015 14:14


Matthew King in the 1911 England Census
Name:Matthew King
Age in 1911:59
Estimated birth year:abt 1852
Relation to Head:Head
Gender:Male
Birth Place:Lakenheath, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish:Lakenheath
County/Island:Suffolk
Country:England
Street address:Anchor Lane, Lakenheath
Marital Status:Married
Occupation:Postman Rural
Registration district:Mildenhall
Registration District Number:208
Sub-registration district:Mildenhall

Household Members:

Matthew King 59
Margaret King 58
Bertie King 26
Bessie King 19
Elsie King 17

Married 40 years......12 children born, 9 living, 3 had died


Matthew King in the 1901 England Census
Name:Matthew King
Age:49
Estimated birth year:abt 1852
Relation to Head:Head
Gender:Male
Spouse: Magaret King
Birth Place:Lakenheath, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish:Lakenheath
Ecclesiastical parish:St Mary
Town:Lakenheath
County/Island:Suffolk
Country:England

Household Members:

Matthew King 49 (Fish Monger)
Magaret King 48
Matthew King 23
Bertie King 19
Margerson King 15
Millie K King 12
Bessie King 9


safc

safc Report 9 Feb 2015 14:16

County Suffolk
Place Lakenheath
Church All Saints
RegisterNumber 772
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 06 Apr 1873
Forename Hannah Elizabeth
Sex F
FatherForename Matthew
MotherForename Margaret
FatherSurname KING
MotherSurname
Abode Lakenheath
FatherOccupation Labourer
Notes
FileNumber 6592

Frances

Frances Report 9 Feb 2015 14:16

Thank you safc, that is fantastic and will put my contact from Ancestry on the right road.

Frances

Frances Report 9 Feb 2015 14:43

Thank you PricklyHolly, I must have missed your contribution first time round, while I was replying to safc .....You all keep doing it to me, just to emphasize my slow typing!

Frances

Frances Report 9 Feb 2015 15:33

I have spent some time looking for Matthew King being born c.1852 in Suffolk in FreeBMD with no success. Can anybody see him in the 1861 census that could correspond please?

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 9 Feb 2015 16:15


Matthew King in the 1861 England Census
Name:Matthew King
Age:10
Estimated birth year:1851
Relation:Son
Father's name:Samuel King
Mother's name:Hannah King
Gender:Male
Where born:Lakenheath, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish:Lakenheath
Ecclesiastical parish:Sudbury
County/Island:Suffolk
Country:England
Registration district:Mildenhall
Sub-registration district:Lakenheath

Household Members:

Samuel King 43
Hannah King 44
Matthew King 10
Lucy King 9
Maria King 5

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 9 Feb 2015 16:16

County Suffolk
Place Lakenheath
Church All Saints
RegisterNumber 489
MarriageDate 09 Dec 1871
GroomForename Matthew
GroomSurname KING
GroomAge 21
GroomParish
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Labourer
BrideForename Margaret
BrideSurname ELVIN
BrideAge 20
BrideCondition Spinster
GroomFatherForename Matthew
GroomFatherSurname KING
GroomFatherOccupation Labourer
BrideFatherForename William
BrideFatherSurname ELVIN
BrideFatherOccupation Labourer
WitnessOneForename Robert
WitnessOneSurname RAMAGE
WitnessTwoForename Maria
WitnessTwoSurname KING
Notes He signs William King. She signs X

(from below free to use link)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)

(perhaps one of below)


Births Jun 1850 (>99%)
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King Male Mildenhall 13 508


Births Sep 1850 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------
King Male Newmarket 14 124

King Male Mildenhall 13 455

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 9 Feb 2015 16:18

Name:Matthew King
Age:10 Mo
Estimated birth year:abt 1850
Relation:Son
Mother's name:Hannah King
Gender:Male
Where born:Lakenheath, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish:Lakenheath
County/Island:Suffolk
Country:England
Registration district:Mildenhall

Household Members:

Hannah King 35 >>>>>Samuel on the image
Hannah King 35
Robert King 4
Eliza King 2
Matthew King 10 Mo

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 9 Feb 2015 16:20

You may find his birth simply wasn't registered.

try looking for a baptism

https://familysearch.org/

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 9 Feb 2015 16:22

Baptism
County Suffolk
Place Lakenheath
Church All Saints
RegisterNumber 78
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 04 Jul 1858
Forename Matthew
Sex M
FatherForename Samuel
MotherForename Hannah
FatherSurname KING
MotherSurname
Abode Lakenheath
FatherOccupation Labourer

(above also from link, if later one, Father now Samuel!)

Chris :)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Frances

Frances Report 9 Feb 2015 16:33

Thank you PricklyHolly and Chris Ho, I now have his family and can try and progress them back in IGI as now is - FamilySearch.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 9 Feb 2015 16:35


Samuel King in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Registration Year:1847
Registration Quarter:Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district:Mildenhall
Inferred County:Suffolk
Volume:13
Page:721

Records on Page:

Hannah Gathercole
Samuel King


Note that on the 1881 and 1891 census Samuel and Hannah have a William Gathercole lodging with them.

Frances

Frances Report 10 Feb 2015 16:08

Hi PricklyHolly, sorry I have not thanked you for Samuel King's marriage but I did wonder when I found him in FreeBMD why his wife's name Gathercole seemed familiar...... obviously I hadn't looked 'through the wndow'.
I reckon William must be her brother? Can't find him in IGI though.

Does William have any more siblings in the 1861 please?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 10 Feb 2015 19:20

County Suffolk
Place Lakenheath
Church All Saints
RegisterNumber 140
MarriageDate 09 Feb 1847
GroomForename Samuel
GroomSurname KING
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Labourer
BrideForename Hannah
BrideSurname GATHERCOLE
BrideCondition Spinster
GroomFatherForename Samuel
GroomFatherSurname KING
GroomFatherOccupation Shoemaker
BrideFatherForename Robert
BrideFatherSurname GATHERCOLE
BrideFatherOccupation Labourer
WitnessOneForename James
WitnessOneSurname SHINN
WitnessTwoForename Joseph
WitnessTwoSurname MORLEY
Notes They both sign X


Baptism
County Suffolk
Place Lakenheath
Church All Saints
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 21 Apr 1816
Forename Hannah
Sex F
FatherForename Robert
MotherForename Lucy
FatherSurname GATHERCOLE
MotherSurname
Abode Lakenheath
FatherOccupation Labourer


County Suffolk
Place Lakenheath
Church All Saints
RegisterNumber
MarriageDate 17 May 1810
GroomForename Robert
GroomSurname GATHERCOLE
GroomCondition Bachelor
BrideForename Lucy
BrideSurname TURRINGTON
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideFatherOccupation
WitnessOneForename John
WitnessOneSurname SIMPSON
WitnessTwoForename Thomas
WitnessTwoSurname HENSBY
Notes They Both Sign X

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl


1841 (Find My Past)
Lucy Gathercole Female 60 1781 Suffolk, England (Pauper)
Hanah Gathercole Female 24 1817 Suffolk, England
Mary Ann Gathercole Female 19 1822 Suffolk, England
Street Anchor Lane
Parish or township Lakenhall (Lakenheath)
County Suffolk
Registration district Mildenhall
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 1027
Book number 12
Folio number 30
Page number 17

Chris :)

Baptism
County Suffolk
Place Lakenheath
Church All Saints
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 07 May 1826
Forename William
Sex M
FatherForename William
MotherForename Susan
FatherSurname GATHERCOLE
MotherSurname
Abode Lakenheath
FatherOccupation Labourer

(above possible William)

County Suffolk
Place Lakenheath
Church All Saints
RegisterNumber 98
MarriageDate 05 Dec 1824
GroomForename William
GroomSurname GATHERCOLE
GroomCondition Bachelor
BrideForename Susan
BrideSurname HORN
BrideCondition Spinster
WitnessOneForename Richard
WitnessOneSurname HORN
WitnessTwoForename Hannah
WitnessTwoSurname RUTTERFORD
Notes With Consent Of Parents


1871 (Find My Past)
William Gathercole Head - Male 83 1788 - Suffolk, England
William Gathercole Son - Male 44 1827 - Suffolk, England
Hannah Horn Servant - Female 70 1801 - Suffolk, England
Street High Street
Parish Lakenheath
County Suffolk
Registration district Mildenhall
Archive reference RG10
Piece number 1730
Folio 57
Page 28

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 10 Feb 2015 20:22

Unfortunately, it doesn't state William's relationship to Samuel King on the 1881 and 1891 census. Only that he is a "Lodger"

Take note that on the 1881 census it states........Unmarried

1891 census..........Single.

This might be William on the 1901 census.....


William Gathercole in the 1901 England Census
Name:William Gathercole
Age:74
Estimated birth year:abt 1827
Relation to Head:Boarder
Gender:Male
Birth Place:Mildenhall
Civil Parish:Lakenheath
Ecclesiastical parish:St Mary
Town:Lakenheath
County/Island:Suffolk
Country:England
Registration district:Mildenhall
Sub-registration district:Mildenhall

Household Members:

James Brown 57
Ann Brown 56
William Gathercole 74 (Single) No Occupation

As a matter of interest.......Living nest door is........


William J Gathercole in the 1901 England Census
William J Gathercole
Age:88
Estimated birth year:abt 1813
Relation to Head:Head
Gender:Male
Spouse:Harriet Gathercole
Birth Place: Brandon, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish:Lakenheath
Ecclesiastical parish:St Mary
Town:Lakenheath
County/Island:Suffolk
Country:England
Registration district:Mildenhall

Household Members:

William J Gathercole 88 (Union Parochial Relief)
Harriet Gathercole 55 (Wife)
John W Gathercole 8 (Son)

I will look into this again tomorrow when I have more time.

Prickles :-)